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  3. I've scored an exciting new opportunity - helping customers avoid disaster when using llm based tooling using systems architecture.

I've scored an exciting new opportunity - helping customers avoid disaster when using llm based tooling using systems architecture.

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  • viss@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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    I've scored an exciting new opportunity - helping customers avoid disaster when using llm based tooling using systems architecture. I'm doing a presentation and a 2 day workshop.

    As part and parcel for this offering, I'm doing a massive shitload of reading up on details and particulars of the entire ecosystem, so I can arm attendees by polishing their brainmeats.

    today I found this: https://sites.google.com/view/llmwritingdistortion/home

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    • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

      I've scored an exciting new opportunity - helping customers avoid disaster when using llm based tooling using systems architecture. I'm doing a presentation and a 2 day workshop.

      As part and parcel for this offering, I'm doing a massive shitload of reading up on details and particulars of the entire ecosystem, so I can arm attendees by polishing their brainmeats.

      today I found this: https://sites.google.com/view/llmwritingdistortion/home

      viss@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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      if you dont even read it, and you skip straight to the bottom, the little sig there? with the curly braces?

      thats how you format input data for unsloth/lora style training.

      google writes a paper about how llms are introducing drift to our language and its semantics, and they sign it using a tag intended to be imbibed by something like unsloth.

      so this is like.. the smoker talking about how smoking fucks people up, then lighting up a cigarette at the end of the monologue?

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        if you dont even read it, and you skip straight to the bottom, the little sig there? with the curly braces?

        thats how you format input data for unsloth/lora style training.

        google writes a paper about how llms are introducing drift to our language and its semantics, and they sign it using a tag intended to be imbibed by something like unsloth.

        so this is like.. the smoker talking about how smoking fucks people up, then lighting up a cigarette at the end of the monologue?

        viss@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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        i'd argue the contents of the paper are an important read, but like.. signing it like that at the end is a huge fucking tell about the bias here

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        • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

          i'd argue the contents of the paper are an important read, but like.. signing it like that at the end is a huge fucking tell about the bias here

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          @Viss or the authors just showing off.. โ€œWatch this guys, Iโ€™m going to sign off ironicallyโ€

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          • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

            i'd argue the contents of the paper are an important read, but like.. signing it like that at the end is a huge fucking tell about the bias here

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            @Viss that aside, would be interested in your talk

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            • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

              if you dont even read it, and you skip straight to the bottom, the little sig there? with the curly braces?

              thats how you format input data for unsloth/lora style training.

              google writes a paper about how llms are introducing drift to our language and its semantics, and they sign it using a tag intended to be imbibed by something like unsloth.

              so this is like.. the smoker talking about how smoking fucks people up, then lighting up a cigarette at the end of the monologue?

              hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Viss um, that's a ~40-year-old reference standard format called BibTex https://www.bibtex.org/Format/

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              • hrbrmstr@mastodon.socialH hrbrmstr@mastodon.social

                @Viss um, that's a ~40-year-old reference standard format called BibTex https://www.bibtex.org/Format/

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                @hrbrmstr huh. i guess that format is probably where unsloth is taking its cues - https://unsloth.ai/docs/get-started/fine-tuning-llms-guide/datasets-guide

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                • cali@infosec.exchangeC cali@infosec.exchange

                  @Viss that aside, would be interested in your talk

                  viss@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Cali at present its being custom tailored for this client, but a lot of the same raw materials are going into my 'claude is your insider threat now' talk - which sadly securityfest passed on. maybe labscon or sec-t pick it up?

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                    @hrbrmstr huh. i guess that format is probably where unsloth is taking its cues - https://unsloth.ai/docs/get-started/fine-tuning-llms-guide/datasets-guide

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                    @Viss gotta pick some delimeters (delimieters gonna delimit? ๐Ÿ™ƒ)

                    FWIW the {} syntax in Unsloth's to_sharegpt is Python's standard str.format() / f-string placeholder convention. It's likely just a path of least resistance: "Hello {name}".format(name=value) is idiomatic Python, and using the same delimiter means column substitution reads naturally to any Python developer and requires zero custom parser logic โ€” just .format(**row) or str.format_map() against a dict of column names.

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                      @Viss gotta pick some delimeters (delimieters gonna delimit? ๐Ÿ™ƒ)

                      FWIW the {} syntax in Unsloth's to_sharegpt is Python's standard str.format() / f-string placeholder convention. It's likely just a path of least resistance: "Hello {name}".format(name=value) is idiomatic Python, and using the same delimiter means column substitution reads naturally to any Python developer and requires zero custom parser logic โ€” just .format(**row) or str.format_map() against a dict of column names.

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                      @hrbrmstr admittedly, im not a super expert with this stuff yet, so visually, the immediate reaction was like "wtf, are they trying to be funny or ironic here?"

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