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"We'll just 'AI' spam books, movies, and music" always conveniently ignores how much of everything there already is and how little of it gets any traction.

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  • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

    "But it will be so much cheaper to make!"

    So what?

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    There's this related idea that "AI" will let us generate anything we want. Any song, any image, any movie, any book we could possibly want or imagine.

    And first of all, no, "AI" can't make anything new, it's just endless remixes, and it repeatedly chokes on trying to mix and match ideas.

    But also, a lot of ideas are bad.

    I see what people use image generators for, for example, and it's 90% the stupidest, most mediocre shit I can imagine. But I guess I *can* imagine things unlike some people.

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    • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

      There's this related idea that "AI" will let us generate anything we want. Any song, any image, any movie, any book we could possibly want or imagine.

      And first of all, no, "AI" can't make anything new, it's just endless remixes, and it repeatedly chokes on trying to mix and match ideas.

      But also, a lot of ideas are bad.

      I see what people use image generators for, for example, and it's 90% the stupidest, most mediocre shit I can imagine. But I guess I *can* imagine things unlike some people.

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      #6

      "I want a picture of Darth Vader playing piano on the moon!"

      Why? What about that merits more than a brief flicker of a smirk of amusement before you move on with your life? What psychological need is that filling for you? It's camp, it's kitsch, it's crap.

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      • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

        "I want a picture of Darth Vader playing piano on the moon!"

        Why? What about that merits more than a brief flicker of a smirk of amusement before you move on with your life? What psychological need is that filling for you? It's camp, it's kitsch, it's crap.

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        #7

        "Ooh, ooh, what about a 17th century woman drinking a Pepsi and listening to an iPod?"

        What went wrong with your life that you think this is worth doing?

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        • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

          "Ooh, ooh, what about a 17th century woman drinking a Pepsi and listening to an iPod?"

          What went wrong with your life that you think this is worth doing?

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          #8

          And I think removing the human element, the human effort, only amplifies these really base, banal tendencies.

          Like, there's a reason some people aren't artists and shouldn't be.

          You can drown the world in this kind of trite shit but it won't make you any money.

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          • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

            "I want a picture of Darth Vader playing piano on the moon!"

            Why? What about that merits more than a brief flicker of a smirk of amusement before you move on with your life? What psychological need is that filling for you? It's camp, it's kitsch, it's crap.

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            #9

            @gwynnion

            I guess that's what sells artificial insanity:
            You get a servant that never makes you reconsider your choices in life, question anything or makes you feel uncomfortable. It's the perfectly obedient slave all those wannabe, fascist slave owners ever wanted.

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            • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

              RE: https://mastodon.social/@Sarahp/116415333742451453

              "We'll just 'AI' spam books, movies, and music" always conveniently ignores how much of everything there already is and how little of it gets any traction.

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              #10

              @gwynnion

              "Never mind the quality, feel the width" I hate these fucking people so much

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              • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@Sarahp/116415333742451453

                "We'll just 'AI' spam books, movies, and music" always conveniently ignores how much of everything there already is and how little of it gets any traction.

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                #11

                @gwynnion

                One other thing stands out... who - exactly - gets fully paid whenever these 50 movies are released, instead of the 5 that might currently get made?

                The studios lose money, prestige, and investor value with every successive flop, and eventually, go bankrupt.

                Moviegoers waste time/money/energy/resources and are pissed enough to stop going to see anything new.

                Distributers, churn over studios until there's none left to rep for.

                AI rakes it in, and keeps BS-ing for more deals.

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                • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@Sarahp/116415333742451453

                  "We'll just 'AI' spam books, movies, and music" always conveniently ignores how much of everything there already is and how little of it gets any traction.

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                  #12

                  @gwynnion Right. The pressing need is for higher quality, not more quantity.

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                  • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                    "Ooh, ooh, what about a 17th century woman drinking a Pepsi and listening to an iPod?"

                    What went wrong with your life that you think this is worth doing?

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                    #13

                    @gwynnion Well, that's a bit too easy. While I agree those examples aren't attractive to ME, it's not up to you or me to decide what's art for other people. That's an individual decision. So, if it's appealing enough for people to think of it, there's obviously a market. And I agree, that might not mean there's MORE money to make, but that's basically never the case. The point is, dragging money to you, that was not with you BEFORE. From competitors. And/or getting the same amount of money, but paying less to artists because you can automate the creation. (Again, you can argue against calling it creation - it just doesn't matter economically)
                    And I agree that I hate EVERYTHING about it. It's war strategy: Shoot faster/more bullets than the enemy - otherwise HE will.

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                    • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                      "I want a picture of Darth Vader playing piano on the moon!"

                      Why? What about that merits more than a brief flicker of a smirk of amusement before you move on with your life? What psychological need is that filling for you? It's camp, it's kitsch, it's crap.

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                      #14

                      @gwynnion My annoyance with the image generators is that the *idea* only goes as far as the prompt, and whatever the image adds to it is meaningless noise. The Darth Vader example is a perfect one, whatever amusement you're going to get out of that juxtaposition, it's all there in that string of words. If "a picture is a worth a thousand words", all the other words in the generated image are going to be slop nonsense devoid of creative intent (or are a pastiche of plagiarized symbology).

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                      • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@Sarahp/116415333742451453

                        "We'll just 'AI' spam books, movies, and music" always conveniently ignores how much of everything there already is and how little of it gets any traction.

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                        #15

                        @gwynnion No one cares.

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                        • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@Sarahp/116415333742451453

                          "We'll just 'AI' spam books, movies, and music" always conveniently ignores how much of everything there already is and how little of it gets any traction.

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                          @gwynnion lowest common denominator slop for dumb people

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                          • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                            RE: https://mastodon.social/@Sarahp/116415333742451453

                            "We'll just 'AI' spam books, movies, and music" always conveniently ignores how much of everything there already is and how little of it gets any traction.

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                            #17

                            @gwynnion Wow - what excitement to see yet more sacrificing of quality to suit the lining of the pockets of the powerful.

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