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  3. Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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  • damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
    damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
    damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.org
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    @sleepfreeparent @mrmoore @emilymbender Also they can show their ads on their platform without those pesky users nipping off to see the source of the information (and possibly supporting it in any way).

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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      How infantilizing --- you thought you were looking to find something that someone else wrote on the web. But woah! Now you've been "dropped into" an "interactive experience". Yeah, Google can just fuck right off with that.

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      damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
      damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
      damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.org
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      #77

      @emilymbender Oh, goodie. They've invented a guy who barges between you and the library shelves and proceeds to give you his vague recollection of what some of the books say. Sort of. Maybe. Unless he decides you were actually looking for something else.

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      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

        @emilymbender it's an XKCD reference isn't it?

        jackeric@beige.partyJ This user is from outside of this forum
        jackeric@beige.partyJ This user is from outside of this forum
        jackeric@beige.party
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        #78

        @whitequark @emilymbender surely. `import antigravity` in python, about 20+ years ago

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        • jackeric@beige.partyJ jackeric@beige.party

          @whitequark @emilymbender surely. `import antigravity` in python, about 20+ years ago

          whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
          whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
          whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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          #79

          @jackeric @emilymbender doesn't make it less cringe, of course

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          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

            @jackeric @emilymbender doesn't make it less cringe, of course

            jackeric@beige.partyJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jackeric@beige.partyJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jackeric@beige.party
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            @whitequark @emilymbender indeed

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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              Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

              Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

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              TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

              A short thread
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              taghunt@infosec.exchangeT This user is from outside of this forum
              taghunt@infosec.exchangeT This user is from outside of this forum
              taghunt@infosec.exchange
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              @emilymbender
              Good thing they block adblockers then aye?

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              • damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.org

                @sleepfreeparent @mrmoore @emilymbender Also they can show their ads on their platform without those pesky users nipping off to see the source of the information (and possibly supporting it in any way).

                mrmoore@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @DamonWakes @sleepfreeparent @emilymbender It's amazing how it's changed from want to get users out of search to websites, as quickly as possible. Now, it's the opposite. Keep users in search as long as possible and don't allow them escape to the websites.

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                • tomtom@pouet.chapril.orgT tomtom@pouet.chapril.org

                  @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender use duckduckgo and you have simple ai opt out .

                  But anyway all this suppose there will be something left to search for on the web. Nowadays most often than not the first 10 links returned are AI generated web site slop.
                  Given that this slop is now used to generate further down the drain AI sites, the untrustworthy garbage'll soon supersede 100-1 trustworthy sources.

                  Maybe we'll have to come back to human indexed content of a curated list of sites.

                  morqendi@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @tomtom @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender

                  Even easier:

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                  DuckDuckGo - Protection. Privacy. Peace of mind.

                  The Internet privacy company that empowers you to seamlessly take control of your personal information online, without any tradeoffs.

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                  DuckDuckGo (noai.duckduckgo.com)

                  Enjoy! 😊

                  #NoAI

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                  • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                    @emilymbender i'm fucking weepi ng

                    Information-gathering agents are an evolution of Google

                    i have never observed google demonstrate any behavior that struck me as evidence of them gathering any form of information

                    Links will become an afterthought

                    that reminds me how they own the w3c and use it to ensure no one who has ever created a webpage will ever be able to show it to anyone without exposing them to the most openly broken cryptography i've ever seem

                    There’s little time left for publishers to adapt.

                    openly gloating

                    which will eventually be free

                    that's right. we will all be free. that's a cryptographic guarantee

                    thethunderwolf@tech.lgbtT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @hipsterelectron @emilymbender

                    i have never observed google demonstrate any behavior that struck me as evidence of them gathering any form of information

                    except for them unethically gathering lots of information about you?

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                    • morqendi@mstdn.socialM morqendi@mstdn.social

                      @tomtom @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender

                      Even easier:

                      Link Preview Image
                      DuckDuckGo - Protection. Privacy. Peace of mind.

                      The Internet privacy company that empowers you to seamlessly take control of your personal information online, without any tradeoffs.

                      favicon

                      DuckDuckGo (noai.duckduckgo.com)

                      Enjoy! 😊

                      #NoAI

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                      @morqendi @tomtom @romli @hamishb @emilymbender the only time I use Google is when DDG results are useless so I prepend with “g! ” to try Google, and even the noai version doesn’t append “ -ai” so I still get the AI overview and an actual setting would still help.

                      I’ll try to remember to try prepending with “g! -ai “, but that’s not an acceptable way for them to interpret “opt out”

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        Not satisfied to cut people off from the important sense-making of looking at information in its context and finding and navigating different perspectives (what "AI overviews" do), Google also wants to tell you what to search for:

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                        wizardofdocs@wandering.shopW This user is from outside of this forum
                        wizardofdocs@wandering.shopW This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #86

                        @emilymbender you know, I was just thinking

                        Google gave up on "don't be evil" at least a decade ago

                        while I worked there about five years ago, they gave up on "respect the user, respect the opportunity, respect each other"

                        now they seem to have given up on "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful"

                        I hate that my livelihood is still tied to them.

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