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A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

    Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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    @nixCraft H. R. 8250 is going to be even worse than the state-level bills. While we don't have the text of the bill yet, Gottheimer's official statement explicitly says that OSs will have to *verify* age, and that self-reporting isn't enough. https://gottheimer.house.gov/posts/release-gottheimer-announces-bipartisan-parents-decide-act-to-protect-kids-online

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

      Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

      kodamachameleon@infosec.exchangeK This user is from outside of this forum
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      @nixCraft I share your concerns around age verification in general; however, I don’t quite agree that the burden should be shifted to social media companies to do the age verification. Done right, age verification at the OS level has a better chance of privacy preservation than at the app or browser level.

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      • freevolt24@mastodon.socialF freevolt24@mastodon.social

        @nixCraft If you (=readers of this post, not nixCraft) need more explanations, which title do you think fits better here?: child protection vs. mass surveillance?

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        @freevolt24 @nixCraft the proposal has nothing to do with child protection.

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        • freevolt24@mastodon.socialF freevolt24@mastodon.social

          @nixCraft I'd say the idea is equivalent to asking for your ID on your doorstep to prevent kids from buying alcohol. Sounds like a good "child protection," eh?

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          @freevolt24 @nixCraft good analogy

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          • kodamachameleon@infosec.exchangeK kodamachameleon@infosec.exchange

            @nixCraft I share your concerns around age verification in general; however, I don’t quite agree that the burden should be shifted to social media companies to do the age verification. Done right, age verification at the OS level has a better chance of privacy preservation than at the app or browser level.

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            @kodamachameleon @nixCraft it is social media vendor’s responsibility, that’s why they include in terms of service (to avoid liability). They are lobbying to shift it away from themselves.

            All this is just large groups trying to offload risk. No one wants to hold this bag. The risk is too high. Which is entirely why it shouldn’t be done.

            The fact that they are lobbying so hard to off load the responsibility is the giveaway that it’s a bad idea.

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

              Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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              @nixCraft Awesome.

              Maybe I can make a business of removing all the government mandated bullshit from your computer.

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                @nixCraft the #USA is a #cyberfadcist #shithole and EVERYONE needs to #boycott that shit and #RefuseToComply!

                • I will ( @OS1337 )!
                  • Will you?
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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                  Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                  @nixCraft is there any political voice around in the US opposing this bullshit?

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                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                    A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                    Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                    @nixCraft Hey Grover Norquisling, where ya been, mate? How's that "drown it in the bathtub" plan working out for ya? I'm sure it's all according to plan in your echo chamber.

                    I wish I had time to compile a great big beautiful book of all the Orwellian bills that these so-called small-government corporatist clowns have enabled, and drop it on their heads.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                      Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                      @nixCraft

                      Amazing they're not just going for Internet providers to grant or block access to the internet. Why the OS?

                      Because M$ and Apple have been losing users.

                      Eventually, the Machines will run everything, while a few VIPs will sit in their bunkers, drone civilians for sport, and deny any responsibility for anything.

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                        Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                        @nixCraft i wonder why not put this age verification into the products instead of an OSes.

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                          Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                          @nixCraft

                          Love is in the air~

                          Wrong. Age Verification in my Operating System.

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                          • sassinake@mastodon.socialS sassinake@mastodon.social

                            @nixCraft

                            Amazing they're not just going for Internet providers to grant or block access to the internet. Why the OS?

                            Because M$ and Apple have been losing users.

                            Eventually, the Machines will run everything, while a few VIPs will sit in their bunkers, drone civilians for sport, and deny any responsibility for anything.

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                            @Sassinake @nixCraft

                            Could be there's already too much legislation in place protecting ISPs from having to do this stuff.

                            I'd suspect its the same reason water finds the path of least resistance.

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                            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                              A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                              Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                              @nixCraft "And for other purposes."

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                              • contrasocial@mastodon.socialC contrasocial@mastodon.social

                                @Sassinake @nixCraft

                                Could be there's already too much legislation in place protecting ISPs from having to do this stuff.

                                I'd suspect its the same reason water finds the path of least resistance.

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                                @contrasocial @nixCraft

                                water, or oil.

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                                  Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                                  @nixCraft

                                  although he is corporate democrat, so called "problem solver". are democrats planning loosing in 2026 and 2028. i don't like to support this kind trojan horse mass surveillance in the name of protecting kids.

                                  republicans are already bad as something, but this might make defending democrats more painful.

                                  these days i feel, that democrats want to be republicans instead of republicans.

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                                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                    A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                                    Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                                    @nixCraft the *verification* user journey:

                                    Age Verification -> Identity Verification -> Political Affiliation Verification -> Work Camp Verification

                                    Tech is getting infinitely more powerful and invasive. Leaving a power vaccum to be filled by power hungry organizations that can't resist.

                                    Ring of Sauron anyone? 💍💍💍

                                    The root cause has to be addressed... 🤔 Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

                                    #antifa #europe #power #trump

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                                    • freevolt24@mastodon.socialF freevolt24@mastodon.social

                                      @nixCraft I'd say the idea is equivalent to asking for your ID on your doorstep to prevent kids from buying alcohol. Sounds like a good "child protection," eh?

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                                      @freevolt24
                                      Looks like a good analogy to me.

                                      @nixCraft
                                      #AgeVerification #ID #privacy

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                                        Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                                        @nixCraft

                                        ✋ uhmmm how is my oven going to verify the age of it's users? or my new gaming mouse that runs ZephyrOS?

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                                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                          A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info

                                          Another slippery slope to target everyone, especially minority groups, and make their life hell under the name of protecting kids. If you want to protect kids, tell Meta, Google, & all other social media companies not to let kids usew the app. It is that simple. But Meta, who is behind the lobbying is niw shifting this burden to OS providers and targeting everyone on the planet.

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                                          @nixCraft Why the fuck isn't this part of parental control on devices? When device boots for first time, it should ask who the user will be. Pick Child and lock it with custom PIN. Job fucking done.

                                          Instead they are going the entire other way hoarding user biometric data, images and IDs. All to "protect" children. Get the fuck off.

                                          Some claim this would expose children more. Um yeah, what does "unverified" does now? Same damn thing.

                                          This is so fucking stupid and everyone just went on board.

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