EU states must provide proper ID for transgender citizens

[pq1r@tech.lgbt]

@miniBill @m000gletje @eunews I don't really buy the "class we want to protect" argument, and the potential for discrimination instead of protection is - in my opinion - higher.

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

do awards need a purpose other than be an award for achieving something? does everything need to be super deep to you in order to be deemed useful? so just because you don't get it, that means no one should be allowed to have it?

that's a mentality of a fucking 5 year old who didn't get their favourite toy and now wants everyone to stop playing with their toys

[minibill@mastodon.uno]

@pq1r @m000gletje @eunews eeeeh, we do live in a patriarchy unfortunately, you can't talk about - say - a gender pay gap without having a notion of gender

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

you're all cowards who are afraid of picking up a fight, that's what the reality is

and instead of picking the fight you want to take away what some have fought for actually because you don't feel included and you want a participation trophy

crazy how you all spout how you're definitely not mad about what i achieved, yet never thought of a consensus of choice; let people choose if they want that on their ID or not

but no, you need a participation trophy instead

[minibill@mastodon.uno]

@m000gletje @eunews @pq1r I think I simply prefer a world where you can change your gender by stating so instead of having to go through a lot of bureaucracy? In the same way that your ID doesn't list your sex chromosomes, your genitals, your sexual orientation or whether you are into feet, I don't think it should list your gender?

[pq1r@tech.lgbt]

@m000gletje @eunews To be honest, I never thought of my ID documents as some sort of award. More like, something I need to carry on me to show I'm authorised to drive or to travel between countries.

I do understand that you felt a sense of achievement when you won the right to have the institutional recognition of your true gender. I acknowledge my privilege in that I did not have to fight the same fight you did.

I also don't think that barrier should have been there in the first place. Are you going to resent a future in which nobody has to fight for their true gender to be institutionally recognised, just because they don't have to fight the same way you did?

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

"if i can't have it, no one will" mentality, again are some of you just stuck in that phase of development or something?

my problem is that this piece of shit community hates people who actually do try their best to transition and win against the government - hell we now start calling people on HRT and post-surgery "transmeds", as if the very core tenet of transness that is physical transition is now Evil

it feels almost targetted to erase people who do actually transition in favor of those who chose not to, and consider them superior and "more inclusive". and i'm not taking that bullshit, i've been erased as a trans man several times by supposedly "my allies and comrades", i will not let them now erase me as a trans person who actually puts in effort to transition, including picking hard battles; because that desire of mine is stronger than bureaucracy

[pq1r@tech.lgbt]

@m000gletje @eunews I'm done explaining how I see it, I don't think we will agree on that point.

I'm glad you got the institutional recognition you deserve and I'm sorry you had to fight for it.

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

i'm sorry you need trans people who fought for it and are proud of it to give up that achievement so you can feel better about yourself

[prophetscross@mastodon.social]

@m000gletje @eunews @pq1r Jesus, what did you jump down this guy's throat for? He isn't exactly acting like a Transphobe? What's the need to pick a fight with someone who isn't looking for one?

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

i'm not taking bullshit from anyone who wants to take away what i fought for

including trans people themselves, you're not my comrades!!! fucking look how your kind treats fellow trans men or people who actually get to medically transition, just because we share a struggle doesn't make me your friend

[prophetscross@mastodon.social]

@m000gletje @eunews @pq1r "Your kind" is crazy work like, The whole point of this movement is to move past the Binary gender system and get to a point where it doesn't matter anymore, anyone's free to do what they wish, and getting rid of Gender markers on ID is a step towards that, but instead of having a nice conversation about it you just went full attack mode on some random guy?

Chill out

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

i don't need to feel sympathy for someone just because youre trans

and yes, YOUR KIND, because the wider "trans community" has done an amazing job in excluding me throughout my entire life because i transitioned to what many of you deem "malicious gender"

also i couldnt care any less about "beyond the binary" when yall fucking fail to show up for your supposed binary siblings - or is transness now only for nonbinaries? and trans men/trans women need to go somewhere else?

you will rip my gender from my dead cold hands, over my dead fucking body, i fought for it and i'm proud of it, and i advise you to buckle up and do the same instead of trying to take away others' effort

[prophetscross@mastodon.social]

@m000gletje @eunews @pq1r Yeah I went to protest the shit Bathroom laws in the UK because I "don't give a shit"

Look, I don't know what to tell you but "winning" an internet flame war won't win you any points with anyone, especially not on Mastodon. You're not gonna exactly win anyone over by shouting and punching them in the face when they make a comment.

I'm not gonna bother responding anymore cause you're just seeing Red, I hope your day gets better whatever's going on.

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

i dont need to feel sympathy for a trans person just cause theyre trans, this shitty community harmed me more than the evil "cishet estabilishment" yall love talking shit about so much

keep hoping for my obituary, loser

[brinazarski@app.wafrn.net]

(i wrote this response earlier but like. you knew i was non-binary before following me, right?)

ehhh not trying to dunk on you but i agree that it just isn’t necessary… no one’s stopping you from wearing pronoun badges or trans merch, and people have the right to choose if they want to be “cowards”. people are still murdered for being trans.

gonna switch this to followers only like the Coward️ i am. (edit: i chose to do unlisted, if people see this, it is what it is) generally i’m open about being a non-binary lesbian.

gender is a fuck. i’m currently fighting a million battles to stay alive. i don’t want to think too much about my own gender or transitioning right now. there are A LOT of thoughts there and i’m not in a place to sort through them. they happen regularly but i generally try not to get to deep into them because i just can’t. (adding this now: before i came out my binary trans friend (now former friend) would shit on nb people for being “trans trender” and gave me a dirty look when i did come out. my friend has tried to get me to buy trans merch and i refuse because i feel fake even though im usually open about being nb. coward i guess idfk)

i currently “present,” i guess, like a cis female. my hair is long as fuck. not that guys can’t have long hair, but with so many things out of control in my life, my hair is something i can somewhat control. i’m having a biopsy for cancer in the coming weeks and that could take another thing away from me.

i’d fucking love to present masc and “try on” he/him pronouns for awhile to continue figuring out what the fuck is going on. i can’t wear a binder. i can’t even wear a bra. i have something wrong with my ribs and even slight pressure for a few hours can cause up to level ten pain for days where i can barely breathe and i cant even speak because those trigger the pain.

i can’t even fucking choose my clothes because i can’t even afford clothes.

my grandma, one of those most important people in my life, is 90 and isn’t getting any younger. i’m sure she would love me no matter what. but she is very religious. i don’t think she would force me to change if she knew. when she found out i was an atheist she was distraught because she was afraid God would send me to Hell. she did not try to change me or say i was evil or shame me. she just cried a lot, mostly on her own, and worried because she doesn’t want me to go to Hell. she also worried that God punished me with chronic illness because I’m an atheist, but I want to make it clear that she genuinely doesn’t seem to blame me. she knows I’m a good person with a good heart (even if I don’t always believe that about myself). i’m her only grandkid. mind you… she’s in Poland. she’s lived there her whole life.

i asked my dad if i should come out to my grandparents, and he was like haha, no, don’t. please. they’re too old. they’re already very worried about you. they don’t need more stress.

i think he’s got a point. they don’t even know about the potential cancer shit or the upcoming surgery. i don’t even tell them how much shit i’ve gone without because it would break their hearts and i know they’re struggling with money and i don’t want to burden them. i tell them yeah i’m sick but i tell them i’m living comfortably.

i really thought about changing my name and gender. then i remembered that they’d probably see my passport when i visit them.

if that makes me a coward, well… to be fair. i’m pretty open about the fact that i am a coward

if you enjoy being vocal about stuff then by all means continue, but if this upsets you i’d suggest taking a break. it’s not worth it

[m000gletje@app.wafrn.net]

i don't fucking feel sympathy for a trans person just bc theyre trans, yall hurt me so much to the point i frankly don't believe anymore in solidarity - it's kill or be killed

the point at which it becomes cowardice is when you push your "i dont want to put effort" onto everyone else - i'm all for personal choices but they do come with consequences

everyone only addresses "but then what about the enbies/we need to move beyond the binary"- we dont got shit to move when yall still treat binary trans people like shit for transitioning and the fact they aren't genderfucky

i lived in a country where transition legally doesn't exist, my environment never heard of transness aside from some vague stereotypes about trans women, my parents were outright hostile. i had nowhere to go

but i didn't stick into my 20s with the mentality of "if i can't have it, no one can" - at some point you gotta fucking take fate into your hands and do something.

again y'all are taking my hard fought gender off my cold hands and over my fucking dead body. i don't owe the rotten transphobes nor main-character-syndrome queers anything

i am sick of justifying my fight and existence to your and their kind alike

[atlovato@mastodon.social]

@eunews - How Bulgar

[mo@mastodon.ml]

@pq1r there's also no reason to put a name on ID, you know
Just photo, biometric data, and unique number is enough
But people really like putting labels on themselves, so why stopping them from doing it?

Maybe instead we drop unnecessary restrictions, like «you can choose only from M and F» or «you must be diagnosed by multiple doctors to change it» or even «you must get a plastic surgery before changing»

@eunews

[krans@mastodon.me.uk]

@venividistupui No, they really want to help transgender people exercise their human rights