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Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them.

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @aatch @PattyHanson i went my entire life without seeing a paper check until i moved to the US

    i'm in my 40s

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    @eniko @aatch @PattyHanson
    Mischievously, I suggest that the failure is of the cheque writer, who hasn’t kept up his education enough to know how to do a bank transfer. 😜

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    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

      @aeva @cwebber yeah there was a lot of very confident "well it's okay if *i* do it, i can always spot the problems!"

      it's like. can you though. can you spot the problems you didn't spot though. how would that work, exactly

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      @eniko @aeva @cwebber He even talks about this with children - children cannot spot problems they never encountered before, but an adult learns with every new thing they see too which has the same exact problems and summaries will inevitably omit certain things you may find problematic as a human.

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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        @cwebber Being forced to use it, it feels different

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        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

          @aatch @PattyHanson i went my entire life without seeing a paper check until i moved to the US

          i'm in my 40s

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          @eniko @aatch @PattyHanson

          I'm of a similar age, and likewise didn't grow up in the US, but I did see checks occasionally used until I was maybe 10yo?

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          • kimsj@mastodon.socialK kimsj@mastodon.social

            @eniko @aatch @PattyHanson
            Mischievously, I suggest that the failure is of the cheque writer, who hasn’t kept up his education enough to know how to do a bank transfer. 😜

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            @KimSJ @eniko @aatch As a grandmother and the check writer, I choose not to gift via bank transfer or PayPal or any of the other modern methods to transfer money. When a kid opens a birthday card expecting money, they don't get the same excitement from a proof of bank transfer that they do when they see cash. Turns out, checks aren't that exciting either.

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            • emi@social.comfy.cityE emi@social.comfy.city

              @eniko @aeva @cwebber He even talks about this with children - children cannot spot problems they never encountered before, but an adult learns with every new thing they see too which has the same exact problems and summaries will inevitably omit certain things you may find problematic as a human.

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              @emi @eniko @cwebber there's also the problem (which iirc the author overlooks) which is what happens when someone repeatedly internalizes noise that statistically resembles information. even if you have the skill to theoretically spot a specific inaccuracy, what happens when you read misinformation restated hundreds of different ways? what happens if you repeatedly scan it without much thought because you're in a hurry?

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              • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @emi @eniko @cwebber there's also the problem (which iirc the author overlooks) which is what happens when someone repeatedly internalizes noise that statistically resembles information. even if you have the skill to theoretically spot a specific inaccuracy, what happens when you read misinformation restated hundreds of different ways? what happens if you repeatedly scan it without much thought because you're in a hurry?

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                @emi @eniko @cwebber I imagine the way this works is the skill erosion happens at the edge of your understanding where you can't easily spot it and works its way inward until you don't know anything anymore

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                • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @emi @eniko @cwebber I imagine the way this works is the skill erosion happens at the edge of your understanding where you can't easily spot it and works its way inward until you don't know anything anymore

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                  @emi @eniko @cwebber and if you really are taking the time to fact check every little thing it says, there is no way there is any efficiency benefit to using the slop machine

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                  • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

                    @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

                    Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

                    When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

                    Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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                    @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber "I think of the DUMBEST thing possible and then I confirm it."

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                    • pattyhanson@mastodon.socialP pattyhanson@mastodon.social

                      @KimSJ @eniko @aatch As a grandmother and the check writer, I choose not to gift via bank transfer or PayPal or any of the other modern methods to transfer money. When a kid opens a birthday card expecting money, they don't get the same excitement from a proof of bank transfer that they do when they see cash. Turns out, checks aren't that exciting either.

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                      @PattyHanson @eniko @aatch
                      I get that. It is a pity that there is no option to print a “I have sent you this money” card of some kind when you make an online transfer. I guess one could create one.

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                        @cwebber

                        Oh wow.
                        I was just explaining this during class yesterday. Wow.

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