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The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction.

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  • G gwentlarry@mastodon.social

    @Vivaldi

    Just switched to Vivaldi from Firefox, seems pretty good.

    Also trying out OnlyOffice (Latvian?) office suite of apps and Qwant (French?) search engine - both looking good.

    Thinking about ProtonVPN (Swiss?).

    The problem is persuading others to change - most of the people I know just keep on using what they were given years ago. MS Windows, MS Office, Outlook, Google …

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    @gwentlarry @Vivaldi Hmm, I’m Latvian and I’ve never heard of OnlyOffice.

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    • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

      The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction. Our societies spent 20 years accepting surveillance capitalism as normal. And now, we're slowly remembering we have choices.

      Sure, switching browsers is a small thing. But small rebellions are how everything big begins, or so we like to believe. 🤞

      If you think about those around you, have you noticed an increased awareness lately about what's behind the tech they use?

      #ethics #BigTech #browser

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      @Vivaldi I'm only aware of my own increase in awareness of the tech I use. Everyone else I know thinks AI is the bee's knees.

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      • sirrichard@social.vivaldi.netS sirrichard@social.vivaldi.net

        @gwentlarry @Vivaldi Hmm, I’m Latvian and I’ve never heard of OnlyOffice.

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        @sirrichard @gwentlarry @Vivaldi

        Gwentlarry is on the right track! 👍 🎉 🙌 🇪🇺

        A little bad luck with OnlyOffice is all. I've also stepped on that mine. Its a nice product, but from what I've read on Mastodon, its basically Russian and moved their legal seat to Latvia because of reasons you can all guess.

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        • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

          The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction. Our societies spent 20 years accepting surveillance capitalism as normal. And now, we're slowly remembering we have choices.

          Sure, switching browsers is a small thing. But small rebellions are how everything big begins, or so we like to believe. 🤞

          If you think about those around you, have you noticed an increased awareness lately about what's behind the tech they use?

          #ethics #BigTech #browser

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          @Vivaldi Dawg your browser is literally spyware https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi 😭

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          • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

            The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction. Our societies spent 20 years accepting surveillance capitalism as normal. And now, we're slowly remembering we have choices.

            Sure, switching browsers is a small thing. But small rebellions are how everything big begins, or so we like to believe. 🤞

            If you think about those around you, have you noticed an increased awareness lately about what's behind the tech they use?

            #ethics #BigTech #browser

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            @Vivaldi I notice something which at the same time gives me hope and sadness.

            Yes. There is a conscient aware that all those companies spy you, sell you and exploit you. Nobody argues they're evil and they couldn't care less about their users.

            At the same time, there is resignation as has been accepted that, that cannot be changed. And even if you mention alternatives, almost always the comeback is the same: "How do you REALLY know they are not (or will turn to be) the same"

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            • trittriton@shelter.moeT trittriton@shelter.moe

              @user365 There is:
              https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/

              @Vivaldi

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              @TritTriton @user365 @Vivaldi > Even though most of the security-relevant code for Vivaldi browser is in Chromium, there is also some security-relevant code in the UI. If you think that specific security-relevant parts of the UI should be open-sourced to make Vivaldi more trustworthy, let us know, and we’ll consider putting it out as part of our code bundles, so you can check it for yourselves.

              That's an unfalsifiable claim without source code access, how can you "check it for yourself" w/o it?

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              • gsprs@mastodon.socialG gsprs@mastodon.social

                @Vivaldi Dawg your browser is literally spyware https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi 😭

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                @gsprs @Vivaldi what browser do you recommend?

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                • trittriton@shelter.moeT trittriton@shelter.moe

                  @user365 There is:
                  https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/

                  @Vivaldi

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                  @TritTriton @user365 @Vivaldi, the small part of the code which is proprietary, but full auditable is the part related to the UI, nothing relevant to the privacy feature, but Chrome and EDGE are very hungry to this part, if they could fork it it would be the end of Vivaldi and all other Chromium browsers.

                  For Firefox and forks it is easy to be OpenSource, because there isn't any big corporation which use ore made Gecko browsers, not so with Chromiums as by far the most used and used also as base for the worst Data hogs out there.

                  Vivaldi as the only relevant EU browser and also the most advanced and feature rich existing one, need to protect more than others it's unique features and souvereign against the big global players, for the own existence and the one of others, in a brutal market of almost 100 different browsers and othe 70 which had already lost the battle.

                  Because this it's pretty irrelevant currently, if a browser is 100% OpenSource or only an 96%, there are more important other points, like the community, the ethics and transparency of the company.

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                  • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                    The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction. Our societies spent 20 years accepting surveillance capitalism as normal. And now, we're slowly remembering we have choices.

                    Sure, switching browsers is a small thing. But small rebellions are how everything big begins, or so we like to believe. 🤞

                    If you think about those around you, have you noticed an increased awareness lately about what's behind the tech they use?

                    #ethics #BigTech #browser

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                    @Vivaldi you can smell something is awry when they're all paying dowries.

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                    • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                      The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction. Our societies spent 20 years accepting surveillance capitalism as normal. And now, we're slowly remembering we have choices.

                      Sure, switching browsers is a small thing. But small rebellions are how everything big begins, or so we like to believe. 🤞

                      If you think about those around you, have you noticed an increased awareness lately about what's behind the tech they use?

                      #ethics #BigTech #browser

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                      @Vivaldi Yes, I've been convincing people to use alternative apps ,browsers, and have installed GrapheneOS on Pixels. People are finding ways around this surveillance via adblockers, VPNS, and these alternative and FOSS options. We need to change gears and push these tech oligarchs out, because as we saw at the inauguration, they've openly chosen to support fascism and the surveillance state, thinking they're too powerful to face repercussions.

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                      • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                        The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction. Our societies spent 20 years accepting surveillance capitalism as normal. And now, we're slowly remembering we have choices.

                        Sure, switching browsers is a small thing. But small rebellions are how everything big begins, or so we like to believe. 🤞

                        If you think about those around you, have you noticed an increased awareness lately about what's behind the tech they use?

                        #ethics #BigTech #browser

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                        @Vivaldi Switching browser is not a small thing. For most non-mobile users it is a tough decission not to be taken lightly. And something that needs a determination. As for the awareness of the state of permeating inviglilation it is there, but it is being supressed, as something one can do nothing about. Of course old nerds possibly can, "but not me". That is my impression, an anecdata of some dozen of talks.

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                        • gsprs@mastodon.socialG gsprs@mastodon.social

                          @TritTriton @user365 @Vivaldi > Even though most of the security-relevant code for Vivaldi browser is in Chromium, there is also some security-relevant code in the UI. If you think that specific security-relevant parts of the UI should be open-sourced to make Vivaldi more trustworthy, let us know, and we’ll consider putting it out as part of our code bundles, so you can check it for yourselves.

                          That's an unfalsifiable claim without source code access, how can you "check it for yourself" w/o it?

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                          @gsprs @TritTriton @user365 @Vivaldi
                          > you can check it for yourselves.
                          In what they hide is nothing, IMO, that non-expert "can check for yourself". Even if one is an expert who is able and wiling and have resources, the others must trust in that person expertise and integrity no less than they must trust in expertise and integrity of the whole Vivaldi team. The fallacy of "open for security" is that, a fallacy. As well as "it is open, someone had to look through that code". I am (was) an expert hence I know that I have no knowledge, time and skills that would let me "check for myself" even a promille of open sourced code I used. Nor I have illusion that many others already did it for me. Details to be found in Heartbleed popular nerdpress.
                          I trust Vivaldi team will spot the danger if Chromium owners would come rogue (or hacked, or compelled to be evil). Because so far they are only EU based team having means to keep on doing it. I wished they can use EU's Norwegian Fund, but afaik they cant. I personally am ok with the explanation and rationale laid in the Julien's post. Godspeed!

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                          • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                            The anti-Big-Tech movement isn't a trend, it's a correction. Our societies spent 20 years accepting surveillance capitalism as normal. And now, we're slowly remembering we have choices.

                            Sure, switching browsers is a small thing. But small rebellions are how everything big begins, or so we like to believe. 🤞

                            If you think about those around you, have you noticed an increased awareness lately about what's behind the tech they use?

                            #ethics #BigTech #browser

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                            @Vivaldi Still a long way to go. I could convince few people but for most of them, they don't give a s*** about being tracked. Too many efforts to switch to something more respectful and most of the time better. That is also a trend. Enshittification is real in those big tech products

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