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Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

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    Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

    Adopt universal health care.

    (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

    chuckmcmanis@chaos.socialC calicoday@mastodon.gamedev.placeC beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB P isocat@tiggi.esI 8 Replies Last reply
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    • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

      Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

      Adopt universal health care.

      (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

      chuckmcmanis@chaos.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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      @GeePawHill How does that work? Do you have a description of what a fraud resistant implementation of universal health care would look like? I ask because medicare fraud from doctors telling medicare they did a thing when they didn't, seems to work just as well when everyone is covered by health care. So I'm trying to understand the mechanism here.

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      • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

        Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

        Adopt universal health care.

        (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

        calicoday@mastodon.gamedev.placeC This user is from outside of this forum
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        @GeePawHill And a great deal of mental illness, too.

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        • chuckmcmanis@chaos.socialC chuckmcmanis@chaos.social

          @GeePawHill How does that work? Do you have a description of what a fraud resistant implementation of universal health care would look like? I ask because medicare fraud from doctors telling medicare they did a thing when they didn't, seems to work just as well when everyone is covered by health care. So I'm trying to understand the mechanism here.

          gnaddrig@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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          @ChuckMcManis @GeePawHill
          But that is not the sort of fraud Republicans are worried about. They want to make sure noone cheats an extra bottle of aspirin out of the system.

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          • gnaddrig@mastodon.socialG gnaddrig@mastodon.social

            @ChuckMcManis @GeePawHill
            But that is not the sort of fraud Republicans are worried about. They want to make sure noone cheats an extra bottle of aspirin out of the system.

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            @gnaddrig
            I'm going to challenge that point of view. This bit was from the Bulwark (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-real-story-behind-the-minnesota-welfare-fraud-scandal) on the Minnesota fraud 'story'. Sure, there is some unproven allegations of "immigrants" getting free medical care on the taxpayers dime (because racism) but that has not been typically "medicare fraud". I'm still curious how universal health care would address what the Bulwark was reporting as fraud.

            @GeePawHill

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            • gnaddrig@mastodon.socialG gnaddrig@mastodon.social

              @ChuckMcManis @GeePawHill
              But that is not the sort of fraud Republicans are worried about. They want to make sure noone cheats an extra bottle of aspirin out of the system.

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              @gnaddrig @ChuckMcManis @GeePawHill yes. "Fraud" is often code for "a person of color getting something for free" (or, sometimes, "existing")

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              • calicoday@mastodon.gamedev.placeC calicoday@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @GeePawHill And a great deal of mental illness, too.

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                funcan@mastodon.social
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                @calicoday @GeePawHill I wouldn't get your hopes up there. Most countries with universal healthcare still suck at mental health care, unfortunately

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                  @calicoday @GeePawHill I wouldn't get your hopes up there. Most countries with universal healthcare still suck at mental health care, unfortunately

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                  @Funcan @GeePawHill Huge proportion of mental health issues are exacerbated, where they're not caused, by poverty. Ensuring even basic healthcare without adding more financial stress is a big deal.

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                  • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                    Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

                    Adopt universal health care.

                    (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

                    beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @GeePawHill Fantastic plan. Call us back when you can wrangle a viable & pragmatic plan for it's implementation. Bear in mind that by necessity it'll have to include shifting the culture & practices of half a dozen ecosystems in that sector constellation before any attempt to address it at the legislative level can be successful. Plan on about a 14-20 year commitment. Bring a bunch of lawyers. You'll need 'em!

                    Good luck!

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                    • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                      Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

                      Adopt universal health care.

                      (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

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                      @GeePawHill our veterans would get much better care far closer to home as well.

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                      • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                        Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

                        Adopt universal health care.

                        (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

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                        @GeePawHill BILLIONAIRES HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE LIFE HACK!

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                        • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                          @GeePawHill Fantastic plan. Call us back when you can wrangle a viable & pragmatic plan for it's implementation. Bear in mind that by necessity it'll have to include shifting the culture & practices of half a dozen ecosystems in that sector constellation before any attempt to address it at the legislative level can be successful. Plan on about a 14-20 year commitment. Bring a bunch of lawyers. You'll need 'em!

                          Good luck!

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                          @Beggarmidas @GeePawHill or we do what the GOP did and just do it. Turns out the only thing that actually stopped them was them not doing it, seems logical the same true for this. Just do the most extream version you can get votes for and let them spend the next 50 years fight to reverse it.

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                          • beggarmidas@mastodon.socialB beggarmidas@mastodon.social

                            @GeePawHill Fantastic plan. Call us back when you can wrangle a viable & pragmatic plan for it's implementation. Bear in mind that by necessity it'll have to include shifting the culture & practices of half a dozen ecosystems in that sector constellation before any attempt to address it at the legislative level can be successful. Plan on about a 14-20 year commitment. Bring a bunch of lawyers. You'll need 'em!

                            Good luck!

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                            @Beggarmidas @GeePawHill UHC does not mean single payer, we could fairly easily adopt the German or Swiss system. It would require some level of cost control at point of use, some tort reform, and some tweaks to higher education.

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                            • vw_guy@mastodon.socialV vw_guy@mastodon.social

                              @Beggarmidas @GeePawHill UHC does not mean single payer, we could fairly easily adopt the German or Swiss system. It would require some level of cost control at point of use, some tort reform, and some tweaks to higher education.

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                              @VW_Guy @GeePawHill eh, the failure to date has always come down to implementation. This can't be solved by the swish of a legislative pen alone. There's entrenched vested interests with the pull to push back. The only reasonable path towards such a destination would literally take over a decade, maybe as much as two. You'd have to knock down, onboard, distract or outright threaten six different & distinct subsections of the medical sector to clear the way.

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                              • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                                Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

                                Adopt universal health care.

                                (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

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                                @GeePawHill

                                That's the rub, folks who are on those programs, Snap, Wic, Medicaid, welfare can't afford to defraud the programs, if they do part or all of the aid is gone. It's not as if there is another game. Most all fraud in any of them is white collar. But every time the GOP hears the word Fraud they assume it's the folks on the bottom. I was a caseworker for welfare/SNAP, we had 5 federal, state, local, in house watchers that came around to be sure there was no fraud. Enough BS.

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                                • vw_guy@mastodon.socialV vw_guy@mastodon.social

                                  @Beggarmidas @GeePawHill UHC does not mean single payer, we could fairly easily adopt the German or Swiss system. It would require some level of cost control at point of use, some tort reform, and some tweaks to higher education.

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                                  @VW_Guy @GeePawHill As a personal note aside, I think that Singapore has the most viable model that we could template off of. Socialist models don't scale readily, you see. All socialist models for health care or any other social program fragment when presented with culturally non-homogeneous populations, large geographic areas to cover or populations of over 32-34 million (give or take). The USA is all three.

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                                  • vw_guy@mastodon.socialV vw_guy@mastodon.social

                                    @Beggarmidas @GeePawHill UHC does not mean single payer, we could fairly easily adopt the German or Swiss system. It would require some level of cost control at point of use, some tort reform, and some tweaks to higher education.

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                                    @VW_Guy @GeePawHill Not trying to bum you out or anything. But someone needs be the voice of practicality. Too many people think this is an easier proposition that it is. Our medical sector didnt get this fucked up & whacked out overnight. It's accreted into it's present form presiding over the last 70 years of the most impactful medical progress ever made in human history. Its created powerful lobbies & entrenched interests. They all have to be knocked down, moved aside or brought onboard.

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                                    • P passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social

                                      @Beggarmidas @GeePawHill or we do what the GOP did and just do it. Turns out the only thing that actually stopped them was them not doing it, seems logical the same true for this. Just do the most extream version you can get votes for and let them spend the next 50 years fight to reverse it.

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                                      @passwordsarehard4 @GeePawHill Great example, but not the way you mean. The RNC had a longgame that was set to start paying out by this year called "Hardball". Instead a charasmatic came along, hijacked it 2/3rds in, and buttonholed them into a high risk, high reward but low success odd play for the whole cookie. It's creating pushback across more channels than they can keep up with.
                                      ...And if it loses, they've created so much broad resentment it'll cost them 20 or even 30 years of gains.

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                                      • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                                        Eliminate 100% of all Medicare/Medicaid fraud with this one simple trick!

                                        Adopt universal health care.

                                        (You'll also be starting to tackle homelessness and welfare fraud, too!)

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                                        @GeePawHill When I developed type 1 diabetes, I was really mad about how much work I have to do every day to keep myself alive. It’s like a whole job on top of the job I do for paid employment! “People with chronic illness should be paid a stipend for all the time they have to spend on their own care,” I fumed. Then I realized what I really want is for everyone to have Universal Basic Income.

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                                        • P passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social

                                          @Beggarmidas @GeePawHill or we do what the GOP did and just do it. Turns out the only thing that actually stopped them was them not doing it, seems logical the same true for this. Just do the most extream version you can get votes for and let them spend the next 50 years fight to reverse it.

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                                          @passwordsarehard4 @GeePawHill To change the health care program in this country would require breaking it down into about 7-8 project boxes. They could be tackled one by one by a smaller, deeply dedicated & funded group over a longer period or more broadly by a medium sized & funded group over a moderate period. over 20 years for the former. Maybe 10+ years the latter. Most of it tied up in litigation. Once that deck was cleared THEN you could implement legislation with good odds of it sticking

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