heads up #Europe, if you want #sovereignty, there is an #European #chat solution that is #decentralized, #OpenSource, free, multi-platform, multi-profile, #encrypted, it is called #DeltaChat
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@arcanechat Deltachat is based on SMTP. Not a good idea. Better use #Matrix
@GerhardD now matrix is not a good idea
it doesn't matter that delta chat is smtp internally, it works just fine and the UI is more closer to WhatsApp, Telegram etc.
way better than matrix, that is literally what you should never recommend to people to migrate to WhatsApp
besides, Delta Chat is on a completely different superior level when it comes to resilience, it is not just decentralized but it can also use several servers at the same time so if one goes down user keeps receiving messages
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@GerhardD now matrix is not a good idea
it doesn't matter that delta chat is smtp internally, it works just fine and the UI is more closer to WhatsApp, Telegram etc.
way better than matrix, that is literally what you should never recommend to people to migrate to WhatsApp
besides, Delta Chat is on a completely different superior level when it comes to resilience, it is not just decentralized but it can also use several servers at the same time so if one goes down user keeps receiving messages
@GerhardD it also has good multi-profile and multi-device support, and it is super easy to migrate from one server to another if needed (obvious because several can be used at the same time)
also groups and channels are totally controlled by the users and independent from the server, hence why it doesn't matter if the server ("home server" in matrix) goes down, and why you can migrate to other servers while keeping all your groups and chats
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@GerhardD it also has good multi-profile and multi-device support, and it is super easy to migrate from one server to another if needed (obvious because several can be used at the same time)
also groups and channels are totally controlled by the users and independent from the server, hence why it doesn't matter if the server ("home server" in matrix) goes down, and why you can migrate to other servers while keeping all your groups and chats
@arcanechat@fosstodon.org becareful when you state about groups on #deltachat. Because there is no concept of group owner/admin on deltachat at the moment. Everyone can kick everyone (PS: I'm a deltachat user, but we are agree not to use deltachat for public group).
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@arcanechat@fosstodon.org becareful when you state about groups on #deltachat. Because there is no concept of group owner/admin on deltachat at the moment. Everyone can kick everyone (PS: I'm a deltachat user, but we are agree not to use deltachat for public group).
@GerhardD@olching.social@semurjengkol @arcanechat @GerhardD Group admins, and ablity to @ message to folks in groups is I think table stakes features for groups. that I think are on the drawing board and can't come soon enough.
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@semurjengkol @arcanechat @GerhardD Group admins, and ablity to @ message to folks in groups is I think table stakes features for groups. that I think are on the drawing board and can't come soon enough.
@tchambers @semurjengkol @arcanechat Cannot imagine how that would work. Since the message transmission is kind of stateless, the groups information must be transferred with every message (keys, history, members etc.), just like GPT is doing its context transfer That's not feasible.
@arcanechat : For the stated "decentralization" you need all MTAs to cooperate. If you are added to a blacklist on any of these (you cannot control them) you decentralization falls apart.
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@tchambers @semurjengkol @arcanechat Cannot imagine how that would work. Since the message transmission is kind of stateless, the groups information must be transferred with every message (keys, history, members etc.), just like GPT is doing its context transfer That's not feasible.
@arcanechat : For the stated "decentralization" you need all MTAs to cooperate. If you are added to a blacklist on any of these (you cannot control them) you decentralization falls apart.
1/2@tchambers @semurjengkol @arcanechat I've been discussing that with one of the development guys years ago. There is a good portion of experience about running MTAs, and related problems. but they didn't wanna hear the arguments. So good luck. 2/2
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@tchambers @semurjengkol @arcanechat I've been discussing that with one of the development guys years ago. There is a good portion of experience about running MTAs, and related problems. but they didn't wanna hear the arguments. So good luck. 2/2
@GerhardD@olching.social @tchambers@indieweb.social @arcanechat@fosstodon.org another possible solution is like old era IRC. In the past they use bots called channel guard (around 30 years ago, before they implement it on server side). Those bots is just like ordinary user. They knows who are channel founder/admin and actively auto kick someone who kicks channel founder/admin and reinvite kicked founder/admin.
It can be implemented in #deltachat groups without any changes on protocol or MTAs. Not even client app need to be modified. Just invite the bot to your group and configured it.
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@GerhardD@olching.social @tchambers@indieweb.social @arcanechat@fosstodon.org another possible solution is like old era IRC. In the past they use bots called channel guard (around 30 years ago, before they implement it on server side). Those bots is just like ordinary user. They knows who are channel founder/admin and actively auto kick someone who kicks channel founder/admin and reinvite kicked founder/admin.
It can be implemented in #deltachat groups without any changes on protocol or MTAs. Not even client app need to be modified. Just invite the bot to your group and configured it.
So, anybody wants to code that kind of bot?@semurjengkol @arcanechat @tchambers @GerhardD@olching.social How about when the bot is kicked out first?
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@semurjengkol @arcanechat @tchambers @GerhardD@olching.social How about when the bot is kicked out first?
@davidsm10@mastodon.social on that era, there are more than 1 bots deployed on a single IRC channel usually
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@davidsm10@mastodon.social on that era, there are more than 1 bots deployed on a single IRC channel usually
@arcanechat@fosstodon.org @tchambers@indieweb.social @GerhardD@olching.social@semurjengkol @arcanechat @tchambers @GerhardD@olching.social In Deltachat you can select several group menbers and kick them from the group at the same time.
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@semurjengkol @arcanechat @tchambers @GerhardD@olching.social In Deltachat you can select several group menbers and kick them from the group at the same time.
@davidsm10@mastodon.social I see, so this alternative will not be effective in deltachat without supporting changes on deltachat
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@davidsm10@mastodon.social I see, so this alternative will not be effective in deltachat without supporting changes on deltachat
@arcanechat@fosstodon.org @tchambers@indieweb.social @GerhardD@olching.social@semurjengkol there is no need for any bot, we just need groups with admin, see:
Spec Proposal: Super Groups
Delta Chat Spec Proposal: Super Groups Terminology semi-public group: A group that is intended to be used for more or less public interactions, its invitation link can be shared in public spaces like social media or webs…
Delta Chat (support.delta.chat)
if you think you need this and would like to have it, go there and comment and give your support/like
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@semurjengkol there is no need for any bot, we just need groups with admin, see:
Spec Proposal: Super Groups
Delta Chat Spec Proposal: Super Groups Terminology semi-public group: A group that is intended to be used for more or less public interactions, its invitation link can be shared in public spaces like social media or webs…
Delta Chat (support.delta.chat)
if you think you need this and would like to have it, go there and comment and give your support/like
@arcanechat@fosstodon.org the reason of why does I mention about the bot is because admin group support is not implemented yet at deltachat (does that proposal has any deadline target?).
I agree, the ideal solution is the one from the core of deltachat.
@tchambers@indieweb.social @GerhardD@olching.social @davidsm10@mastodon.social
