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Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform.

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  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

    Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

    We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

    Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

    stux@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    @firefoxwebdevs Whahaha good joke

    Mozilla opposes AI? Yeah right 😆

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    • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

      Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

      We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

      Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

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      @firefoxwebdevs Your stance would have more credibility if Firefox was not also leaping so enthusiastically onto the AI hype train, in the teeth of near-universal opposition from users.

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      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

        Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

        We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

        Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

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        @firefoxwebdevs

        Now that you seems to see the LLM issue, please remove all of it from firefox.

        Thank you.

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        • valpackett@social.treehouse.systemsV valpackett@social.treehouse.systems

          @firefoxwebdevs 'The intent to ship on blink-dev states web developers as "Strongly positive"' wow. absolutely comical. People hate Mozilla for being too positive towards LLMs… nothing involving LLMs can have a "strongly positive" reaction. Just how high on their own supply are they at Goog? Did they get an LLM to generate the web developers' reaction?

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          @valpackett @firefoxwebdevs They also seem intent to keep redownloading a 4.4 GB model onto capable devices without saying anything, and I’m sure users are “strongly positive” on that https://superuser.com/questions/1930445/can-i-delete-the-chromes-optguideondevicemodel-safely-its-taking-up-4gb

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          • aedius@lavraievie.socialA aedius@lavraievie.social

            @firefoxwebdevs

            Now that you seems to see the LLM issue, please remove all of it from firefox.

            Thank you.

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            @Aedius @firefoxwebdevs but doesn't Firefox already allow us to disable AI features?

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            • toldtheworld@mastodon.socialT toldtheworld@mastodon.social

              @Aedius @firefoxwebdevs but doesn't Firefox already allow us to disable AI features?

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              @toldtheworld @Aedius yep, "AI Controls" landed in Firefox 148 which lets you hide all AI entry points, for current and future AI feature. It also disables any previously opted-into AI features.

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              • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                @toldtheworld @Aedius yep, "AI Controls" landed in Firefox 148 which lets you hide all AI entry points, for current and future AI feature. It also disables any previously opted-into AI features.

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                @firefoxwebdevs
                So I had set AI Afeatures in config plans to false before the "AI controls" update. Does diabling AI controls set all AI positive flags to false ?

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                • kjv@mastodon.gamedev.placeK kjv@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @firefoxwebdevs
                  So I had set AI Afeatures in config plans to false before the "AI controls" update. Does diabling AI controls set all AI positive flags to false ?

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                  @kjv the about:config options around this weren't historically reliable (it's just a key-value store) whereas AI Controls is the officially support way to control this stuff.

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                  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                    Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

                    We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

                    Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

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                    @firefoxwebdevs but can you really oppose your sugar daddy
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                    • a1ba@suya.placeA a1ba@suya.place
                      @firefoxwebdevs but can you really oppose your sugar daddy
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                      @a1ba sure looks like it

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                      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                        Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

                        We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

                        Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

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                        @firefoxwebdevs a new episode of mozilla once again does a PR stunt instead of developing their browser
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                        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                          @a1ba sure looks like it

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                          @firefoxwebdevs hope so
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                          • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                            Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

                            We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

                            Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

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                            @firefoxwebdevs wow, so odd. Does an LLM prompt API even belong into a browser? I seriously doubt it.

                            That it gets pushed into Chrome - no wonder. The company behind it pushes "AI" into everything, no matter what.

                            The dev concerns (GH thread) seem valid, BTW.

                            From a user's perspective, I'm only begging to stick with actual browser tasks (render websites safely and fast, and keep an eye on cpu/ram usage).

                            Not going all nuts on every hype is a quality characteristic nowadays.

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                            • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                              Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

                              We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

                              Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

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                              @firefoxwebdevs that's rich

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                              • xela@troet.cafeX xela@troet.cafe

                                @firefoxwebdevs wow, so odd. Does an LLM prompt API even belong into a browser? I seriously doubt it.

                                That it gets pushed into Chrome - no wonder. The company behind it pushes "AI" into everything, no matter what.

                                The dev concerns (GH thread) seem valid, BTW.

                                From a user's perspective, I'm only begging to stick with actual browser tasks (render websites safely and fast, and keep an eye on cpu/ram usage).

                                Not going all nuts on every hype is a quality characteristic nowadays.

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                                @xela it's possible an LLM API will come along that solves the issues, but yeah… it seems really tricky. The open ended nature of it will always be a huge interop problem.

                                If the use-cases are tightened, e.g. translation, the problem is reduced.

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                                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                  @firefoxwebdevs Whahaha good joke

                                  Mozilla opposes AI? Yeah right 😆

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                                  @stux @firefoxwebdevs
                                  Read first before you react. Mozilla opposes the *API*.

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                                  • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

                                    @stux @firefoxwebdevs
                                    Read first before you react. Mozilla opposes the *API*.

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                                    @marc_eu @firefoxwebdevs Yes, AI API

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                                    • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                      Chrome looks set to ship an LLM Prompt API to the web platform. At Mozilla, we oppose this API.

                                      We feel it has a large interoperability risk, and Google imposing T&Cs on a web API sets a dangerous precedent.

                                      Full details: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

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                                      @firefoxwebdevs I'm assuming @Vivaldi will disable the whole thing, yes?

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                                      • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                        @marc_eu @firefoxwebdevs Yes, AI API

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                                        @stux @firefoxwebdevs
                                        En dus is de reactie van Mozilla niet zo gek?

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                                        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                          @xela it's possible an LLM API will come along that solves the issues, but yeah… it seems really tricky. The open ended nature of it will always be a huge interop problem.

                                          If the use-cases are tightened, e.g. translation, the problem is reduced.

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                                          @firefoxwebdevs honestly, currently I couldn't think of any "magical twist", that makes the problems (model neutrality, legal pitfalls) go away.

                                          Our perspectives seem to differ a bit - to me yours reads like
                                          "is it technically feasible, is it fun to implement?"
                                          while mine's rather
                                          "do I want that in my browser and which problem does that solve, anyway?". 😁
                                          But that's only my interpretation, of course. 😹

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