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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

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  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

    AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

    For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

    fabio@cosocial.caF This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    @firefoxwebdevs Great. Make it the default. Listen to the survey.

    wojtek@social.vivaldi.netW 1 Reply Last reply
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    • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

      AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

      For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

      trey@indieweb.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @firefoxwebdevs Great! Now make AI opt-in, not opt-out!

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      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

        AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

        For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

        madduci@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        @firefoxwebdevs please, set the block as active by default and only set AI features as "opt-in"

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        • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @ArneBab "block" was picked deliberately, as it's removing all entry points to the feature, not just disabling the feature (e.g. disabled buttons are still there, but these are BLOCKED).

          It was important to show the features individually so you can control them individually. E.g. translation is something people explicitly wanted to be able to re-enable https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

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          • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

            AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

            For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

            mkj@social.mkj.earthM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            I know you'll likely get a whole bunch of negative feedback on Fedi for not going even further, but at least this appears to *clearly and unambiguously* put the user in control in a way that does not require digging through about:config settings and worrying about what an upgrade will do. So I am cautiously optimistic about this.

            Can you say anything about when those of us who are on the ESR update track can expect to see this? Will there be a policy setting to control this?

            @firefoxwebdevs

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            • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

              AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

              For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

              raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #7

              @firefoxwebdevs
              Why not ship a version with ZERO AI?

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              • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                @ArneBab "block" was picked deliberately, as it's removing all entry points to the feature, not just disabling the feature (e.g. disabled buttons are still there, but these are BLOCKED).

                It was important to show the features individually so you can control them individually. E.g. translation is something people explicitly wanted to be able to re-enable https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

                raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @firefoxwebdevs @ArneBab
                No, you've lost the plot!

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                • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                  AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                  For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                  raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @firefoxwebdevs
                  And WHY were these "True" by default?
                  Why once even re-enabled?

                  Mozilla isn't trustworthy.

                  The so-called ML is an invasion of privacy and a waste of computing resource.

                  Go back to a Classic Firefox that's ONLY a browser and repects OS GUI look & feel instead of copying Google.

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                  • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                    AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                    For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                    mike@sauropods.winM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    @firefoxwebdevs "AI is changing the web, and people want very different things from it. We’ve heard from many who want nothing to do with AI. We’ve also heard from others who want AI tools that are genuinely useful."

                    Have you? Because I've literally only heard the former. See e.g. virtually every one of the 966 comments on https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/td-p/109922

                    alahmnat@woof.techA budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB robotistry@mstdn.caR 3 Replies Last reply
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                    • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                      @firefoxwebdevs
                      And WHY were these "True" by default?
                      Why once even re-enabled?

                      Mozilla isn't trustworthy.

                      The so-called ML is an invasion of privacy and a waste of computing resource.

                      Go back to a Classic Firefox that's ONLY a browser and repects OS GUI look & feel instead of copying Google.

                      Link Preview Image
                      firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @raymaccarthy about:config isn't intended to be for user settings. That's why we've created a dedicated AI controls page, and we're the first to do so.

                      raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR justin@toot.ioJ 2 Replies Last reply
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                      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                        AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                        For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                        rzeta0@mathstodon.xyzR This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @firefoxwebdevs

                        credit where credit is due

                        I'm still going to use Librewolf as trust on telemetry and ad-partnerships is not yet restored

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                        • mkj@social.mkj.earthM mkj@social.mkj.earth

                          I know you'll likely get a whole bunch of negative feedback on Fedi for not going even further, but at least this appears to *clearly and unambiguously* put the user in control in a way that does not require digging through about:config settings and worrying about what an upgrade will do. So I am cautiously optimistic about this.

                          Can you say anything about when those of us who are on the ESR update track can expect to see this? Will there be a policy setting to control this?

                          @firefoxwebdevs

                          firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @mkj I don't know the answer to this off the top of my head, but I'll find out and get back to you.

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                          • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                            AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                            For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                            tedstechtips@mas.toT This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #14

                            @firefoxwebdevs This is FANTASTIC! Thank you guys for listening to feedback!

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                            • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                              @raymaccarthy about:config isn't intended to be for user settings. That's why we've created a dedicated AI controls page, and we're the first to do so.

                              raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #15

                              @firefoxwebdevs
                              You are missing the point!

                              The features should not exist! So then no need for a master switch in the main settings.

                              Firefox has got so broken it needs loads of settings changed in About.config and even then is LESS USEABLE than 10 or 15 years ago.

                              I've been using Websites since 1994. Mosaic, Netscape, Firefox.

                              Of course I've used most of the others.

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                                @ArneBab it doesn't just disable all existing feature, it also auto-disables future AI features, or 'blocks' them from even appearing in the UI.

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                                • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                  AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                  For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                                  waxingtonknee@mastodon.org.ukW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #17

                                  @firefoxwebdevs Too little. Too late.

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                                  • mike@sauropods.winM mike@sauropods.win

                                    @firefoxwebdevs "AI is changing the web, and people want very different things from it. We’ve heard from many who want nothing to do with AI. We’ve also heard from others who want AI tools that are genuinely useful."

                                    Have you? Because I've literally only heard the former. See e.g. virtually every one of the 966 comments on https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/td-p/109922

                                    alahmnat@woof.techA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #18

                                    @mike @firefoxwebdevs "AI is changing the web" is also certainly one way of describing the unending tide of SEO-optimized slop coating every surface that's made using the web as a source of information and knowledge virtually impossible.

                                    mike@sauropods.winM mastokarl@mastodon.socialM 2 Replies Last reply
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                                    • alahmnat@woof.techA alahmnat@woof.tech

                                      @mike @firefoxwebdevs "AI is changing the web" is also certainly one way of describing the unending tide of SEO-optimized slop coating every surface that's made using the web as a source of information and knowledge virtually impossible.

                                      mike@sauropods.winM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #19

                                      @alahmnat @firefoxwebdevs Precisely.

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                                      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

                                        AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.

                                        For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

                                        signez@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #20

                                        @firefoxwebdevs That's awesome, but honestly that feature should have landed months ago. It's sad that it took so long to deliver such a 'simple' feature — it eroded trust needlessly 😞

                                        I understand it's hard to ship stuff, but we are talking about a toggle in preferences, so it was really frustrating not to see this shipped earlier.

                                        Also, is that 'scare screen' really necessary? It's the same kind of trick we're always complaining about with FAANG products…

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                                        • mkj@social.mkj.earthM mkj@social.mkj.earth

                                          I know you'll likely get a whole bunch of negative feedback on Fedi for not going even further, but at least this appears to *clearly and unambiguously* put the user in control in a way that does not require digging through about:config settings and worrying about what an upgrade will do. So I am cautiously optimistic about this.

                                          Can you say anything about when those of us who are on the ESR update track can expect to see this? Will there be a policy setting to control this?

                                          @firefoxwebdevs

                                          miller@ruhr.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #21

                                          @mkj @firefoxwebdevs policy example:

                                          {
                                          "policies": {
                                          "DisableFirefoxStudies": true,
                                          "DisableTelemetry": true,
                                          "DontCheckDefaultBrowser": true,
                                          "FirefoxHome": {
                                          "SponsoredStories": false,
                                          "SponsoredTopSites": false,
                                          "Stories": false
                                          },
                                          "GenerativeAI": {
                                          "Enabled": false
                                          },
                                          "SearchEngines": {
                                          "Remove": [
                                          "Perplexity"
                                          ]
                                          }
                                          }
                                          }

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