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Please stop asking AI for legal advice.

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  • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

    Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

    Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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    @theleftistlawyer
    So, people are going to use AI and find the answer they want....

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    • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

      Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

      Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

      fsinn@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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      @theleftistlawyer This! If I hear “ChatGPT says… “ one more time…. Ugh.

      “The internet”. Just say “the internet says” and it should become obvious how un-serious that is. People generally do not understand that that tool weighted reddit posts from anyone the same as content from law firm blog posts. Of course the output it generates is wrong.

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      • fsinn@mas.toF fsinn@mas.to

        @theleftistlawyer This! If I hear “ChatGPT says… “ one more time…. Ugh.

        “The internet”. Just say “the internet says” and it should become obvious how un-serious that is. People generally do not understand that that tool weighted reddit posts from anyone the same as content from law firm blog posts. Of course the output it generates is wrong.

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        @fsinn @theleftistlawyer I’m really just going to lean in on calling these willfully stupid people “chum” — in the shark-baiting sense, not the “buddy” sense.

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        • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

          @fsinn @theleftistlawyer I’m really just going to lean in on calling these willfully stupid people “chum” — in the shark-baiting sense, not the “buddy” sense.

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          @tantramar @theleftistlawyer Some otherwise very smart people are unbelievably blind about this.

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          • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

            Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

            Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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            @theleftistlawyer
            "Computers can't make mistakes"? Seriously? Whoa. 😳🤣😅😂

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            • fsinn@mas.toF fsinn@mas.to

              @tantramar @theleftistlawyer Some otherwise very smart people are unbelievably blind about this.

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              @fsinn @theleftistlawyer I know many smart people whose brains turn to mush the moment there are computers involved.

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              • fsinn@mas.toF fsinn@mas.to

                @tantramar @theleftistlawyer Some otherwise very smart people are unbelievably blind about this.

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                @fsinn @theleftistlawyer Also? Smart chum and not-so-smart chum taste the same to sharks.

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                • jmccyoung@mstdn.socialJ jmccyoung@mstdn.social

                  @theleftistlawyer The response to "computers can't make mistakes" which comes to my mind is, "Have you ever used autocorrect?"

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                  @jmccyoung @theleftistlawyer Have you ever used _ducking_ autocorrect?

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                  • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                    Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                    Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                    @theleftistlawyer I wrote a blog post about this very fallacy some years ago: cholling.com/posts/self_driving_fallacy/

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                    • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

                      @fsinn @theleftistlawyer I’m really just going to lean in on calling these willfully stupid people “chum” — in the shark-baiting sense, not the “buddy” sense.

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                      @tantramar @fsinn @theleftistlawyer

                      That is a lot nicer than cannon fodder, I suppose.

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                      • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                        Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                        Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                        @theleftistlawyer I genuinely cannot fathom how these companies aren’t getting inundated with lawsuits. Just constantly getting served. Buried under mountains of papers, and that’s just the list of plaintiffs.

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                        • thriftwicker@mastodon.socialT thriftwicker@mastodon.social

                          @tantramar @fsinn @theleftistlawyer

                          That is a lot nicer than cannon fodder, I suppose.

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                          @thriftwicker @fsinn @theleftistlawyer 😬

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                          • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                            Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                            Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                            @theleftistlawyer What will exacerbate this problem is the chronic loss of critical thinking across the land.

                            Too many allow themselves to be driven by the herd - they see justification because 'most people do that'.

                            Including wearing headphones when crossing the road and not looking as your eyes are still on your phone.

                            Hear no car.
                            See no car.
                            ...

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                            • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

                              @thriftwicker @fsinn @theleftistlawyer 😬

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                              @tantramar @fsinn @theleftistlawyer

                              My apologies if that was a little too heavy.

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                              • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                                Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                                Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                                @theleftistlawyer

                                Oh, wow, no! I wouldn't type any sensitive information into an #LMM running in the cloud — let alone anything requiring a lawyer! 😳

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                                • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                                  Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                                  Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                                  @theleftistlawyer I asked a Claude Haiku instance, and a Qwen VL 30B instance, for UK-specific intellectual property advice. The answers directly contradicted standing advice from the UK Intellectual Property Office. Risk management does not even begin to describe how ridiculous this is.

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                                  • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                                    Please stop asking AI for legal advice. I got yelled at today by a person who was convinced their GenAI was right and I was wrong on a legal issue bc "computers can't make mistakes."

                                    Worse, the GenAI assured the person (wrongly) it is covered by the same attorney client privilege that lawyers are.

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                                    @theleftistlawyer
                                    Similarly, chatbot users who were discussing mental health with their LLM of choice also believed, incorrectly, that their health information is protected
                                    https://fediscience.org/@nyhan/115152094181697986

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                                    • thriftwicker@mastodon.socialT thriftwicker@mastodon.social

                                      @tantramar @fsinn @theleftistlawyer

                                      My apologies if that was a little too heavy.

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                                      @thriftwicker @fsinn @theleftistlawyer Not at all. Made me realize I came across too heavily. 🫤

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                                      • bms48@mastodon.socialB bms48@mastodon.social

                                        @theleftistlawyer I asked a Claude Haiku instance, and a Qwen VL 30B instance, for UK-specific intellectual property advice. The answers directly contradicted standing advice from the UK Intellectual Property Office. Risk management does not even begin to describe how ridiculous this is.

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                                        @theleftistlawyer Oh yeah. Don't forget the CDPA 1988 Act here means you can copyright GenAI stuff as long as it's... "original". But I don't quite think in the way Toni Halliday was singing about on Leftfield's debut album. Gotta document user prompts. But system prompts and reasoning traces are proprietary for proprietary models, so I question how this might hold up in practice. The safest option? One-shotting the boilerplate with a US-hosted Chinese open weights model, or don't use it at all.

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                                        • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

                                          @thriftwicker @fsinn @theleftistlawyer Not at all. Made me realize I came across too heavily. 🫤

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                                          @tantramar @fsinn @theleftistlawyer

                                          Nah. We are good. Being on mastodon has been an enlightening lession on thinking before I speak.

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