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  • pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafe

    Sup Fedi,

    I want to get indoctrinated into the world of #LISP

    I am not a programmer, nor software developer. I am familiar with basic shell scripting and a little bit of C but that's about it.

    Where does the internet church of Lisp congregate and how do I become a member?

    Please boost
    Thanks

    amoroso@oldbytes.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #26

    @pfr If you are interested in Lisp I recommend learning it as a long term project. It's worth giving a good look to both Common Lisp and Scheme so that you can decide what you like.

    As for where Lispers congregate, if you prefer forum platforms you may have a look at this new community:

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    meta.lisp community

    A new home for all brave lispers.

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    (community.metalisp.dev)

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    • pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafe

      Sup Fedi,

      I want to get indoctrinated into the world of #LISP

      I am not a programmer, nor software developer. I am familiar with basic shell scripting and a little bit of C but that's about it.

      Where does the internet church of Lisp congregate and how do I become a member?

      Please boost
      Thanks

      binder@masto.hackers.townB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #27

      @pfr Depends a lot on what you want and where you want to go. It is very good to have a project when you start learning a language... is there one you would like to start with?

      Happy to give you a guide.

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      • pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafe

        Sup Fedi,

        I want to get indoctrinated into the world of #LISP

        I am not a programmer, nor software developer. I am familiar with basic shell scripting and a little bit of C but that's about it.

        Where does the internet church of Lisp congregate and how do I become a member?

        Please boost
        Thanks

        rlonstein@social.stonetools.techR This user is from outside of this forum
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        rlonstein@social.stonetools.tech
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        #28

        @pfr I'd suggest these books:

        * How To Design Programs, Scheme, https://htdp.org/
        * Practical Common Lisp, Common Lisp, https://gigamonkeys.com/book/

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        • lproven@social.vivaldi.netL lproven@social.vivaldi.net

          @drwho @pfr @beardie_jamie

          The illuminated ones also recommend learning Emacs first. I have tried. Repeatedly. I find it totally impenetrable, too. The only things that helped at all in any way were the excellent macOS version, Aquamacs, now sadly effectively moribund:

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          The Emacs for the Mac

          An Editor for Text, HTML, LaTeX, C++, Java, Python, R, Perl, Ruby, PHP, and more… Aquamacs is a modern editor based on GNU Emacs. Read more. Download Aquamacs Emacs 3.6 for Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan) or later

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          Aquamacs Emacs (aquamacs.org)

          And for non-Mac-users, the mad guru of this stuff, Xah Lee, who created ErgoEmacs:

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          ergoemacs-mode Quick start Guide

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          (ergoemacs.github.io)

          It makes GNU Emacs kind of usable, but, for the Enlightened Ones, you're getting to know an impure, polluted vision.

          But it's comprehensible. May work for you.

          binder@masto.hackers.townB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @lproven @drwho @pfr @beardie_jamie The first step to learning emacs is to print out the cheat sheet and start highlighting things as you learn them

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          • pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafe

            Sup Fedi,

            I want to get indoctrinated into the world of #LISP

            I am not a programmer, nor software developer. I am familiar with basic shell scripting and a little bit of C but that's about it.

            Where does the internet church of Lisp congregate and how do I become a member?

            Please boost
            Thanks

            mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #30

            @pfr Land of Lisp and Realm of Racket are fun introductions.

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            • pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafe

              Sup Fedi,

              I want to get indoctrinated into the world of #LISP

              I am not a programmer, nor software developer. I am familiar with basic shell scripting and a little bit of C but that's about it.

              Where does the internet church of Lisp congregate and how do I become a member?

              Please boost
              Thanks

              pkal@social.sdfeu.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
              pkal@social.sdfeu.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
              pkal@social.sdfeu.org
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              #31

              @pfr Read the Structure and Interpertation of Computer Programs or Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence.

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              • binder@masto.hackers.townB binder@masto.hackers.town

                @lproven @drwho @pfr @beardie_jamie The first step to learning emacs is to print out the cheat sheet and start highlighting things as you learn them

                drwho@masto.hackers.townD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #32

                @binder @lproven @pfr @beardie_jamie This also works for tmux.

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                • pkal@social.sdfeu.orgP pkal@social.sdfeu.org

                  @pfr Read the Structure and Interpertation of Computer Programs or Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence.

                  prema@hachyderm.ioP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #33

                  @pkal @pfr i will chip in: David S. Touretzky : Common LISP is nice bigginner book. Reads bit like old BASIC textbook. I love the Barski’s Land of Lisp, but arguably it is not really begginner book.
                  I wrote my own toy lisp (in c++), but it works and now it has maybe 7 users in my lab 😀

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                  • lproven@social.vivaldi.netL lproven@social.vivaldi.net

                    @pfr @drwho @beardie_jamie

                    You are pretty much going to have to convert.

                    (I'm neutral: I can't stand either of them, myself. I am still sad nobody got the joke in this headline:

                    https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/17/tilde_text_editor/ )

                    There is an Emacs Vi mode called EVIL or VILE or something. I think it's a joke, but this tells you all you need to know about how Emacs folks tend to think about it.

                    For reference, this will tell you a _lot_ about Emacs and indeed Lisp:

                    https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs81n/command.txt

                    It's why I tried to learn it. IMHO you _NEED_ to read this.

                    mapcar@mastodon.sdf.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #34

                    @lproven @pfr @drwho @beardie_jamie Not really, at work we did a one point use lisp for a product and I had a colleague that was doing his work exclusively with vim.

                    I am myself immersed in emacs so cannot comment in depth but vim has (my understanding is) numerous extensions that makes it useable for lisp work.

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                    • pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                      Sup Fedi,

                      I want to get indoctrinated into the world of #LISP

                      I am not a programmer, nor software developer. I am familiar with basic shell scripting and a little bit of C but that's about it.

                      Where does the internet church of Lisp congregate and how do I become a member?

                      Please boost
                      Thanks

                      mapcar@mastodon.sdf.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #35

                      @pfr You will need a lisp environment.

                      Many distributions has SBCL directly available.

                      If you have chosen one of the suggested texts, they will presumably provide instructions on how to set something up related to the text.

                      There is also https://lispbox.common-lisp.dev though it is oriented towards Emacs, which may not be ideal for you.

                      For learning, it is not terribly important which lisp dialect you select. If you are into retrocomputing, you may want to check out https://interlisp.org

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                      • pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pfr@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                        Sup Fedi,

                        I want to get indoctrinated into the world of #LISP

                        I am not a programmer, nor software developer. I am familiar with basic shell scripting and a little bit of C but that's about it.

                        Where does the internet church of Lisp congregate and how do I become a member?

                        Please boost
                        Thanks

                        zenie@piaille.frZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @pfr
                        Emacs will give you a good foothold.

                        Search clojure for the brave and true which is a very entertaining tutorial on clojure using emacs.

                        There are many flavors of lisp.

                        For scheme look to the SCIP it is the textbook for CS at MIT for many years.

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                          @pfr

                          A couple examples of excellent talks:

                          - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdwr9tweTDE
                          - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5TrK7A4pI

                          Next, some street preacher shit with a side does of wrath: "Let Over Lambda" by Doug Hoyte https://letoverlambda.com/ it a truly daunting book about the power and dark magic which is known as Lisp Macros. This will bend your brain.

                          Finally the obligatory mention of Paul Graham's "On Lisp" https://paulgraham.com/onlisp.html

                          I have not read that, but it is well received by Important People. Graham was already way too culty by the time I knew about this book. My first encounter with him was the plan for spam, which was good, but had that culty vibe. Then YCombinator occurred, and the rest is the history of the end of the world.

                          Many other commentators are probably worth your time. I saw someone mentioned Steve Yegge but I wouldn't go near him at all - he has shown to be a dribbling buffoon in recent times. Call that my wrathful contribution to a possible schism.

                          HTH

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