I cannot stress enough how little I care what people on other SM's feeling /in general/ about the fediverse is.
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I cannot stress enough how little I care what people on other SM's feeling /in general/ about the fediverse is.
I care that BIPOC folks keep saying they find the experience here hostile. I care that women and gender diverse folks have trouble finding a place where they can post without getting harassed.
I'm still here because it seems like those are considered problems to the lovely folks who build federated software, and I still have hope that tools can be developed to allow safety. 🧵
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I cannot stress enough how little I care what people on other SM's feeling /in general/ about the fediverse is.
I care that BIPOC folks keep saying they find the experience here hostile. I care that women and gender diverse folks have trouble finding a place where they can post without getting harassed.
I'm still here because it seems like those are considered problems to the lovely folks who build federated software, and I still have hope that tools can be developed to allow safety. 🧵
I don't care that journalists or influencers find their posts get less "engagement" here.
I do care that real people, at least afaik, keep saying they have nice conversations here. I have nice conversations here.
We don't need "a federated Twitter," we need a place for humans to communicate. No other social media tech seems to place that as a priority. They pick metrics and they hire people to optimize those, and they consider that success. 🧵
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I don't care that journalists or influencers find their posts get less "engagement" here.
I do care that real people, at least afaik, keep saying they have nice conversations here. I have nice conversations here.
We don't need "a federated Twitter," we need a place for humans to communicate. No other social media tech seems to place that as a priority. They pick metrics and they hire people to optimize those, and they consider that success. 🧵
Here's what it sounds like to me. People on other SM thought they could do centralized SM differently by swapping out the VC funded corporation that IPO'd for billions based on their data. I think even they can or will see the flaw in that reasoning, and then fedi looks appealing again because it's different.
But they don't want different. They want the cushy feeling of warm, fresh, investor-subsidized SM. They want to be a source of bespoke, artisinal posts, not a data-producing commodity. 🧵
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Here's what it sounds like to me. People on other SM thought they could do centralized SM differently by swapping out the VC funded corporation that IPO'd for billions based on their data. I think even they can or will see the flaw in that reasoning, and then fedi looks appealing again because it's different.
But they don't want different. They want the cushy feeling of warm, fresh, investor-subsidized SM. They want to be a source of bespoke, artisinal posts, not a data-producing commodity. 🧵
I've lost count of the number of people I've met that live in cooperative housing and complain about it constantly. They don't care that it's secure and affordable, they care that the co-op has rules. They don't care that condos have rules too, because they /own/ it, damn it. "If only this condo mortgage were affordable, and those condo fees didn't keep going up."
Many complaints from folks on central-SM about fedi sound like that to me. I'm willing to sacrifice their KPIs, for conversations 🧵
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I've lost count of the number of people I've met that live in cooperative housing and complain about it constantly. They don't care that it's secure and affordable, they care that the co-op has rules. They don't care that condos have rules too, because they /own/ it, damn it. "If only this condo mortgage were affordable, and those condo fees didn't keep going up."
Many complaints from folks on central-SM about fedi sound like that to me. I'm willing to sacrifice their KPIs, for conversations 🧵
@cargot_robbie it’s been very eye opening to spend time on bsky and see every single complaint people lodged against fedi replicated then magnified cos bsky juices engagement
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I've lost count of the number of people I've met that live in cooperative housing and complain about it constantly. They don't care that it's secure and affordable, they care that the co-op has rules. They don't care that condos have rules too, because they /own/ it, damn it. "If only this condo mortgage were affordable, and those condo fees didn't keep going up."
Many complaints from folks on central-SM about fedi sound like that to me. I'm willing to sacrifice their KPIs, for conversations 🧵
MacOS isn't the knife at Windows' throat, they're two sides of the same coin. Linux and *BSD are.
Threads and Bluesky aren't a knife at X's throat, they're sides on the same die. Protocols are.
I'm happy to welcome people that come to fedi because they don't want that experience anymore. Trying to replicate that experience here is a mistake, though. In the meantime, the best thing we can do for people who like that experience is to be the knife keeping corpos... Mannered.
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@cargot_robbie it’s been very eye opening to spend time on bsky and see every single complaint people lodged against fedi replicated then magnified cos bsky juices engagement
@phillmv I can imagine. Tech can't solve social problems on its own, but that won't stop VCs from trying to fund a company selling a "solution."
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I cannot stress enough how little I care what people on other SM's feeling /in general/ about the fediverse is.
I care that BIPOC folks keep saying they find the experience here hostile. I care that women and gender diverse folks have trouble finding a place where they can post without getting harassed.
I'm still here because it seems like those are considered problems to the lovely folks who build federated software, and I still have hope that tools can be developed to allow safety. 🧵
> I still have hope that tools can be developed to allow safety.
Sadly, I don't think a technical solution can solve an asshole problem. Whatever technical blocks are put in place, some asshole will find something that doesn't *technically* violate it, but still causes harassement and exclusion. Most technical solutions in place today are reactive, so new members get harassed at least once before they can block the harasser.
I don't know what the solution is, though.
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> I still have hope that tools can be developed to allow safety.
Sadly, I don't think a technical solution can solve an asshole problem. Whatever technical blocks are put in place, some asshole will find something that doesn't *technically* violate it, but still causes harassement and exclusion. Most technical solutions in place today are reactive, so new members get harassed at least once before they can block the harasser.
I don't know what the solution is, though.
@bobjonkman Most are reactive, true, but not all. Moderated registrations are really an effective, proactive tool for handling some types of harmful behaviours. It's also one that IPO social media would never implement. It's not universal on fedi, but it has wide adoption.
Things like that and distributed moderation give me hope
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@bobjonkman Most are reactive, true, but not all. Moderated registrations are really an effective, proactive tool for handling some types of harmful behaviours. It's also one that IPO social media would never implement. It's not universal on fedi, but it has wide adoption.
Things like that and distributed moderation give me hope
Probably paid membership for joining an instance would be a deterrent to harassers too. I can't see someone paying to join just to cause trouble. But I'm prepared to be disappointed.
Safe instances would also need to do some proactive instance blocking, including the big, largely unregulated sites like mastodon dot social. That would considerably reduce the size of the network and available contacts, but that's the whole point.
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I've lost count of the number of people I've met that live in cooperative housing and complain about it constantly. They don't care that it's secure and affordable, they care that the co-op has rules. They don't care that condos have rules too, because they /own/ it, damn it. "If only this condo mortgage were affordable, and those condo fees didn't keep going up."
Many complaints from folks on central-SM about fedi sound like that to me. I'm willing to sacrifice their KPIs, for conversations 🧵
@cargot_robbie if they don't want their co-op housing, i will gladly take their place so they can navigate finding a property manager who is not a manipulative anti-human pile of flaming trash.
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@phillmv I can imagine. Tech can't solve social problems on its own, but that won't stop VCs from trying to fund a company selling a "solution."
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Here's what it sounds like to me. People on other SM thought they could do centralized SM differently by swapping out the VC funded corporation that IPO'd for billions based on their data. I think even they can or will see the flaw in that reasoning, and then fedi looks appealing again because it's different.
But they don't want different. They want the cushy feeling of warm, fresh, investor-subsidized SM. They want to be a source of bespoke, artisinal posts, not a data-producing commodity. 🧵
they also want "market share". it's a fundamental refusal to understand what a system not based on money could look like. i've been hearing it since the early days of Mozilla and linux. certain people would talk down about free software because it wasn't gaining "market share", when it was never intended to do that.
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they also want "market share". it's a fundamental refusal to understand what a system not based on money could look like. i've been hearing it since the early days of Mozilla and linux. certain people would talk down about free software because it wasn't gaining "market share", when it was never intended to do that.
@burnitdown I can understand the frustration of feeling like you're fighting against Network Effects. I think a lot of people on fedi are connected mostly to folks they met here rather than came here from elsewhere together; I sure am. Still, it feels colonizing mindset to tell everybody here they need to change to be more appealing to folks that don't want to be here now
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@burnitdown I can understand the frustration of feeling like you're fighting against Network Effects. I think a lot of people on fedi are connected mostly to folks they met here rather than came here from elsewhere together; I sure am. Still, it feels colonizing mindset to tell everybody here they need to change to be more appealing to folks that don't want to be here now
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