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  3. A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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  • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

    On a more serious note, I didn't realize that Hamilton coined the term "software engineer".

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    @mhoye

    Yeah, and ever since then whole generations of programming boys have been cosplaying as her, despite most of them having not anywhere near half the responsibility.

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    • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

      @tezoatlipoca @mhoye I'd be happy if they weren't even badass, but you know, ran this stuff like they're not trying to emulate comic book bad guys, like the current oligarchical tech leaders seem to be.

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      @tezoatlipoca @mhoye saying that Grace Hopper was indeed badass and had a sharp wit: https://front-end.social/@sarajw/113165853835788408

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      • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

        On a more serious note, I didn't realize that Hamilton coined the term "software engineer".

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        @mhoye Yup, she's (not as) widely recognized (as I thought, apparently) as the founder of software engineering.

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        • lerxst@az.socialL lerxst@az.social

          @sarajw @mhoye I'm old enough to remember when I got into this field when there were more women in it. Back then, it was a way to make a decent living, but not a path to riches.

          That changed with the internet boom and I ran into fewer women developers and sysadmins. Once it got out of its "clerical" status and into a path to riches, the demographics shifted. My first dev job iin 1990 was 40% women devs to 60%.

          I've worked in places since then with NO women devs. Those all sucked, BTW.

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          @lerxst @mhoye mmhmmm. Amazing how the women got pushed out, I guess because it was seen as something that the clever men should do and be well paid for...

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          • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

            @lerxst @mhoye mmhmmm. Amazing how the women got pushed out, I guess because it was seen as something that the clever men should do and be well paid for...

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            @lerxst @mhoye the way I see it, it *should* be an ideal job for a parent (whether male, female, NB), with good opportunities to work async, part time, from home.

            Sadly structural stuff, mandatory meetings, the so many "ritual" meetings make the async part-timeness more difficult.

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            • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

              @lerxst @mhoye the way I see it, it *should* be an ideal job for a parent (whether male, female, NB), with good opportunities to work async, part time, from home.

              Sadly structural stuff, mandatory meetings, the so many "ritual" meetings make the async part-timeness more difficult.

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              @sarajw @mhoye So many meetings could be literally two Slack or even IRC messages per person.

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              • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

                @mhoye didn't know that either.

                Honestly man the more I learn about women in computing in history, the madder I am about the state of tech today.

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                @sarajw @mhoye On that note, I recently learned about how the original group of ENIAC programmers were all women. One of them is credited with having invented the debugger breakpoint.

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                • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                  On a more serious note, I didn't realize that Hamilton coined the term "software engineer".

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                  @mhoye I read that she also coined the term "test harness"

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                  • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                    A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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                    @mhoye On the other hand, Michael Collins did have to turn something off and on again to fix a problem

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                    • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                      A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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                      @mhoye I use the first pic to teach the difference between the purpose of a caption and alt text, with a guerilla casual mention of how much we owe Hamilton and similar minimized women.

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                      • janxdevil@sfba.socialJ janxdevil@sfba.social

                        @sarajw @mhoye On that note, I recently learned about how the original group of ENIAC programmers were all women. One of them is credited with having invented the debugger breakpoint.

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                        @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye yep. Kay McNulty was one of them, from just a bit up the road from my house. https://www.womensmuseumofireland.ie/exhibits/kay-mcnulty

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                          @spacehobo is it just going to make me more mad or give me something constructive to do about it?

                          Otherwise nowadays I can only cope with fiction, novels, I need the escapism...

                          @lerxst @mhoye

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                          • hyc@mastodon.socialH hyc@mastodon.social

                            @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye yep. Kay McNulty was one of them, from just a bit up the road from my house. https://www.womensmuseumofireland.ie/exhibits/kay-mcnulty

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                            @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye they have a monument dedicated to her at her birthplace now. I like to visit it every year...

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