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DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode.

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  • tk@f.kawa-kun.comT tk@f.kawa-kun.com
    @nixCraft @andxor Competition time. 👍 #capitalism
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    @tk @nixCraft yep, in one way we're regressing, but we're also opening the door to a new world full of alternatives, and free of monopolies! (Or at least I hope so)

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?

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      @nixCraft They just don't get it do they?
      Firefox who held a survey in which a huge majority voted against AI, allows you to block AI tools, but almost begs you not to.
      Duckduck go browser just lets you turn it off.

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?

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        @nixCraft
        How does that manifest on the other side? Was the drop in Google searches measurable?

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?

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          @nixCraft

          if only DDG didn't give the exact same results as google's pay-for-views!

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          • wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.ukW wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk

            @nixCraft They just don't get it do they?
            Firefox who held a survey in which a huge majority voted against AI, allows you to block AI tools, but almost begs you not to.
            Duckduck go browser just lets you turn it off.

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            @wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft

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              @gulfie
              @nixCraft
              Yeah seems like a weird brag when the difference between them is a button on the search bar.

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              • mustardfacial@infosec.exchangeM mustardfacial@infosec.exchange

                @nixCraft Serious question: If Google dies, what happens to Android? Google effectively owns it and it shuttering the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) in September.

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                @Mustardfacial @nixCraft Are you really expecting Alphabet to die?

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                • shaedrich@mastodon.onlineS shaedrich@mastodon.online

                  @wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft

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                  @shaedrich @nixCraft
                  I did not say that they weren't, I just pointed out that the process of turning it off is very different.
                  DDG also lets you turn it off in search.

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                  • wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.ukW wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk

                    @shaedrich @nixCraft
                    I did not say that they weren't, I just pointed out that the process of turning it off is very different.
                    DDG also lets you turn it off in search.

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                    @wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft DDG's still on quite a high horse, saying "People are fleeing from a website that embraced AI, fleeing to us¹!"

                    ¹ a website that embraced AI

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                    • madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.netM madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.net

                      @Mustardfacial @nixCraft

                      Google will not die, at least not without a new kid on the block eating their lunch.

                      Being assholes will not drive users away as long as your product is better (actually or percieved as) than the competition.

                      So, if Google dies entirely, it will be because all of their products have been killed off by competing products.

                      Any product still good enough to be a contender would be bought up by someone else or (more likely) be spun off into a new company.

                      So, I seriously doubt that Google will die, but it may very well face the same destiny as Microsoft, who was absolutely untouchable on the desktop OS market back around the time when Windows 95 and 98 came out.

                      Yes, there was OS/2 and Mac OS, but they were niche players. Today, the world is completely different because of mobile devices, and none of them runs a Microsoft OS. Microsoft is now just "a" operating system provider, not "the" operating system provider.

                      My guess is that Google could end up in the same situation as Microsoft once the dedicated AI-companies start eating into parts of their business.

                      Oh, and make no mistake. LLM is here to stay.

                      It will not be the do-all-end-all tool that some wants it to be, but it is definitely a tool that has its uses as e.g. a dedicated knowledge management tool internally in companies.

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                      #63

                      @madsenandersc @Mustardfacial @nixCraft On mobile, yes. But desktop and mobile are very different animals in certain aspects.

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                      • shaedrich@mastodon.onlineS shaedrich@mastodon.online

                        @wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft DDG's still on quite a high horse, saying "People are fleeing from a website that embraced AI, fleeing to us¹!"

                        ¹ a website that embraced AI

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                        @shaedrich @nixCraft At least they let you turn it off easily, unlike Chrome or google search.

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                        • syrupsplashin@infosec.exchangeS syrupsplashin@infosec.exchange

                          @nixCraft Is there any real infrastructure to fill the void left by Android/Play Services and Youtube? Google runs some pretty important platforms, I don't see how they'd be allowed to die

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                          @syrupsplashin @nixCraft There's PeerTube, for example, but no, it won't replace YouTube in the foreseeable future

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                          • wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.ukW wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk

                            @shaedrich @nixCraft At least they let you turn it off easily, unlike Chrome or google search.

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                            @wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft Your post, I reacted to compares DDG with Firefox, not Google. Firefox let's you turn this off: With a single kill switch.

                            Sure, Mozilla stabbed its userbase in the back time and again by trying to equal Google, but this isn't that bad after all this time.

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                            • shaedrich@mastodon.onlineS shaedrich@mastodon.online

                              @wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft Your post, I reacted to compares DDG with Firefox, not Google. Firefox let's you turn this off: With a single kill switch.

                              Sure, Mozilla stabbed its userbase in the back time and again by trying to equal Google, but this isn't that bad after all this time.

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                              @shaedrich @nixCraft Yes, but when you do, it almost begs you not to " But you'll lose all these useful things☆, are you sure?" and you need to confirm it, so not a single kill switch, after all.
                              This is despite the results of a user survey that overwhelmingly dismissed AI in the browser.
                              I am not saying that either of them are right to do this, just pointing out the difference in the implementation.

                              ☆Most of which aren't really that useful.

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                              • wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.ukW wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk

                                @shaedrich @nixCraft Yes, but when you do, it almost begs you not to " But you'll lose all these useful things☆, are you sure?" and you need to confirm it, so not a single kill switch, after all.
                                This is despite the results of a user survey that overwhelmingly dismissed AI in the browser.
                                I am not saying that either of them are right to do this, just pointing out the difference in the implementation.

                                ☆Most of which aren't really that useful.

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                                @wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft I never said, Firefox was perfect. But so isn't DDG. That's all I was trying to say.

                                Glass houses don't need to be identical for it to be advisable not to throw stones from within.

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?

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                                  @nixCraft@mastodon.social
                                  Have DuckDuckGo considered switching their AI powered "Search Assistant" to "On Demand" by default, then?
                                  https://duckduckgo.com/settings#aifeatures
                                  No?
                                  🙃
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                                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                    I have seen this before with their forced Google+ adoption game. Users aren't adopting Google AI at the rate shareholders or C suits expect, so they now force the adoption at the cost of search engine. Just like Google+ died out, this forced AI mode in Google search is going to die and I hope it will be the end of the company as well.

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                                    @nixCraft grep the binaries (main and support libraries) of your fav internet browser for "google" I bet it comes up more than a few times.

                                    This isn't good.

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                                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                      DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?

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                                      @nixCraft I like this but I wish DuckDuckGo did not conflate usage with "installs" like this – as if the only way to change search engine is to install a new browser…

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                                        DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?

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                                        @nixCraft

                                        It's also time NOT to let Giggle or its peers buy DuckDuckGo and turn it into the dog's breakfast it serves up instead of a privacy-friendly browser.

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                                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                          DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?

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                                          @nixCraft I gotta be honest, when I go to google.com to search, which isn’t my default I’ve been using ecosia for years, I still just see normal search results and get a list of links to various sites. I see a new tab for “AI mode” but it’s not the default

                                          Am I missing something with all this? The news I see makes it sound like old google search isn’t available anymore, but that doesn’t match with what I see, are folks out there seeing the AI stuff as the default?

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