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There is a fresh thing going around about LinkedIn scanning extensions installed in Chrome/Chromium:https://browsergate.eu/

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  • moses_izumi@fe.disroot.orgM moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org
    @rysiek @vantiss
    For the record, I'm the guy who pointed her to @kopper 's report.
    (no hard feelings about stolen credit)
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    @moses_izumi @rysiek
    huh? he was referring to my link to the 2017 repo, not the stuff from kopper

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    • vantiss@social.treehouse.systemsV vantiss@social.treehouse.systems

      @moses_izumi @rysiek
      huh? he was referring to my link to the 2017 repo, not the stuff from kopper

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      @vantiss @rysiek
      ehh.
      microsoft's malfeasace is bigger than any of us.
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      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

        Also go see what @vantiss has to say about it:
        https://social.treehouse.systems/@vantiss/116336811478744261

        Credit where credit's due, I relied on her research on the earliest known instance of LinkedIn using this technique.

        If you want to boost something, go boost her toot!

        #BrowserGate #Chrome #Privacy

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        And thank you to @martijn_grooten for some additional input as well!

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        • schnittchen@tech.lgbtS schnittchen@tech.lgbt

          @rysiek why ffs is this even possible?

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          @schnittchen right?!

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          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

            There is a fresh thing going around about LinkedIn scanning extensions installed in Chrome/Chromium:
            https://browsergate.eu/

            The website claims "LinkedIn is Illegally Searching Your Computer", and implies the purpose is to find "religious beliefs, political opinions, disabilities".

            tl;dr:
            - yes, LinkedIn is scanning through a list of 6k+ extensions on Chrome;
            - yes, this is bad;
            - but the website is disingenuous in making unnecessarily overblown claims.

            🧵

            #LinkedIn #BrowserGate #Privacy

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            @rysiek
            The browsergate site is odd.

            Fairlinked - Allianz für digitale Fairness e.V that seem to be behind it seem to be some sort of training org made up of folks all with datacentre industry backgrounds, AWS etc.
            A few red flags for me in this story

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            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

              And thank you to @martijn_grooten for some additional input as well!

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              @rysiek

              It is good and heartening to see nuanced reflections like these. Thank you, Rysiek!

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                Is this bad? Yes. It could allow fingerprinting users, and a specific set of installed extensions (say, a lot related to particular religion) could be revealing, and arguably is illegal based on GDPR.

                Is this "Searching Your Computer"? No, this is not what we generally think of when "searching your computer" is mentioned. This framing is way overblown and unnecessary.

                BrowserGate site also implies LI's purpose might be to gather this kind of protected data. I don't think this is warranted.

                🧵

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                @rysiek Thank you, I was wondering about a potentially-unlawful-under-GDPR aspect to this. Much obliged.

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                • clickhere@mastodon.ieC clickhere@mastodon.ie

                  @rysiek Thank you, I was wondering about a potentially-unlawful-under-GDPR aspect to this. Much obliged.

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                  @clickhere Article 9, the first point:
                  https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/

                  > Processing of personal data revealing racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, or trade union membership, and the processing of genetic data, biometric data for the purpose of uniquely identifying a natural person, data concerning health or data concerning a natural person’s sex life or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.

                  IANAL, I am not saying 100% illegal, but an argument can be made…

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                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                    There is a fresh thing going around about LinkedIn scanning extensions installed in Chrome/Chromium:
                    https://browsergate.eu/

                    The website claims "LinkedIn is Illegally Searching Your Computer", and implies the purpose is to find "religious beliefs, political opinions, disabilities".

                    tl;dr:
                    - yes, LinkedIn is scanning through a list of 6k+ extensions on Chrome;
                    - yes, this is bad;
                    - but the website is disingenuous in making unnecessarily overblown claims.

                    🧵

                    #LinkedIn #BrowserGate #Privacy

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                    @rysiek Thanks for the write-up of the details

                    Website is classic use case of seeking for attention with clickbait titles - we all can do better than that

                    It took time to figure out that mentioned fingerprinting is limited to Chromium based browsers and use of extensions

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                    • orca@nya.oneO orca@nya.one
                      @rysiek@mstdn.social wtf why does Chrome allows an untrusted website to do that???
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                      @Orca @rysiek This is trusted website. But yes, it's feature by Google, present in Chromium for years - extensions have fixed IDs.

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                      • rozie@mastodon.onlineR rozie@mastodon.online

                        @Orca @rysiek This is trusted website. But yes, it's feature by Google, present in Chromium for years - extensions have fixed IDs.

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                        @rozie@mastodon.online @rysiek@mstdn.social
                        I don't think extensions having static IDs are the problem. My problem is: why is an external website allowed to access extension assets (without extension allowing it explicitly)? That sounds like a security nightmare.
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                        • orca@nya.oneO orca@nya.one
                          @rozie@mastodon.online @rysiek@mstdn.social
                          I don't think extensions having static IDs are the problem. My problem is: why is an external website allowed to access extension assets (without extension allowing it explicitly)? That sounds like a security nightmare.
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                          @Orca @rysiek I'll need to take a closer look how exactly it's made.

                          I was aware of the technique where extension interacting with the site (so, in a way, trusting it, but only in a way) was also allowing this site to interact with own files. With fixed ID it allowed to check if extension is present. And this is one of described techniques. Those extensions probably declare interaction with LI (or any site) via web_accessible_resources.

                          Without fixed ID it (fetch of the file) wouldn't work.

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                          • rozie@mastodon.onlineR rozie@mastodon.online

                            @Orca @rysiek I'll need to take a closer look how exactly it's made.

                            I was aware of the technique where extension interacting with the site (so, in a way, trusting it, but only in a way) was also allowing this site to interact with own files. With fixed ID it allowed to check if extension is present. And this is one of described techniques. Those extensions probably declare interaction with LI (or any site) via web_accessible_resources.

                            Without fixed ID it (fetch of the file) wouldn't work.

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                            @rozie @Orca this is correct. But extensions would have had fixed IDs anyway, these are needed for other things. The problem is making it possible for fetch(chrome-extension://<extension_id>/some/file.ext) to work.

                            Yes, that requires the extension to declare the file via web_accessible_resources, so yes, this is also partially on the extension vendors. But this is such a glaring privacy problem that one can and should blame Google for not closing this hole.

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                            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                              @rozie @Orca this is correct. But extensions would have had fixed IDs anyway, these are needed for other things. The problem is making it possible for fetch(chrome-extension://<extension_id>/some/file.ext) to work.

                              Yes, that requires the extension to declare the file via web_accessible_resources, so yes, this is also partially on the extension vendors. But this is such a glaring privacy problem that one can and should blame Google for not closing this hole.

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                              @rysiek @Orca For what things fixed IDs are necessary? And why Firefox doesn't have fixed IDs, then?

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                              • rozie@mastodon.onlineR rozie@mastodon.online

                                @rysiek @Orca For what things fixed IDs are necessary? And why Firefox doesn't have fixed IDs, then?

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                                @rozie @Orca Firefox absolutely has fixed IDs for extensions; for example "uBlock0@raymondhill.net" is the fixed ID for uBlock Origin and you can use it in policies.json to automagically install it and configure it (say, when you are deploying to a fleet of laptops).

                                For example:
                                https://support.mozilla.org/gl/questions/1271181

                                This also answers the question of "why are fixed IDs for extensions necessary".

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                                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                  @rozie @Orca Firefox absolutely has fixed IDs for extensions; for example "uBlock0@raymondhill.net" is the fixed ID for uBlock Origin and you can use it in policies.json to automagically install it and configure it (say, when you are deploying to a fleet of laptops).

                                  For example:
                                  https://support.mozilla.org/gl/questions/1271181

                                  This also answers the question of "why are fixed IDs for extensions necessary".

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                                  @rysiek @Orca Ah, you mean external ID (name? 🤔). I mean internal one. It's random in case of Firefox. But it's fixed and the same as the external external one in Chromium. That's why extension's files can be accessed.

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                                  • rozie@mastodon.onlineR rozie@mastodon.online

                                    @rysiek @Orca Ah, you mean external ID (name? 🤔). I mean internal one. It's random in case of Firefox. But it's fixed and the same as the external external one in Chromium. That's why extension's files can be accessed.

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                                    @rozie @Orca either way, both browsers have fixed IDs for extensions, but only one of the browsers decides to make them available from within the web context.

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                                    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                      @rozie @Orca either way, both browsers have fixed IDs for extensions, but only one of the browsers decides to make them available from within the web context.

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                                      @rysiek @Orca No, Firefox has random IDs locally: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/manifest.json/web_accessible_resources

                                      It's still accessible, just isn't known. And enumeration would be hard.

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