Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised.
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@hacks4pancakes Your conclusion - they can’t sell dead troops - is spot on IMO. You probably remember Dick Cheney and W and Condi Rice et al lying about the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction people went along that idea. They’re done with that shit. With Iran now, everyone knows there is no threat to the US. Vietnam is the lesson that the MAGA GOP ignores. Family members killed or fleeing. Fighting a war without popular support is a fool’s errand
@lawyersgunsnmoney @hacks4pancakes Iraq having weapons of mass destruction was the result of Israeli intelligence lying to the US government but they control the media and US could not publicly acknowledge that truth.
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@hacks4pancakes One note of caution, if you're comparing the public mood about Iraq from the US to the mood about Iran from Australia around Iran.
Across the political spectrum, the general public in Australia is usually a lot more sceptical of US foreign policy and military intervention than our political class.
Australia's political leaders, in both major parties, have never seen a US-led regime change they didn't immediately sign up for. Even when the public isn't fully on board (which is often).
I remember in the US there was a lot of jingoism in the lead up to the Iraq invasion about "supporting our troops" and hanging a flag in your window.
The public mood in Australia in the lead up to Iraq, meanwhile, was more cynical about Dubya and his claims of weapons of mass destruction.
So if you're comparing the general public mood and your colleagues reacted or the small talk in the local café in the US about war, to the general mood in Melbourne, there's likely to be a difference on that front.@aj to clarify I’m talking about America. Unfortunately the only sentiment I’ve seen in Melbourne in the last 24 hours is people loudly celebrating the attack at Central
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes this feels like a conflation of Afghanistan and Iraq. There was international consensus that the Taliban needed addressing. There was much resistance to Iraq action.
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@hacks4pancakes the warmongers obsessed with doomsday prophecy should be the ones to get into the fucking robot if they want to start the Third Impact and bring about the Human Instrumentality Project
@xan @hacks4pancakes it's an odd justaposition of fear and zealocy. The farther down the MAGAt rabbit hole you get the more for Israel you get while simultaneously becoming antisemitic. Yet somehow, they manage the dissonance.
In my experience it's a lot of evangelical "enemy of my enemy" rationalization narritives mixed with generous servings of rapture Jeebus superiority.
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More than that, Trump promised that he was a peace president, that he would keep America out of foreign wars. Now he's taken out two heads of state in two months. Some lies can't be contained.
@bruce @hacks4pancakes that's because #Trump always has been a #UsefulIdiot.
- Besides, he'd do whatever it takes to distract from the #EpsteinFiles, and since when did any #POTUS ever face #Accountability or #Consequences?
- They'd rather bomb the #ICC than allow #justice!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
#USpol #Trump #Fascism #Imperialism #Neoimperialism #USA #Iran #War #ASPA
- Besides, he'd do whatever it takes to distract from the #EpsteinFiles, and since when did any #POTUS ever face #Accountability or #Consequences?
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes If everyone was in for Iraq in 2003, what were all the protests about?
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes
One of my wife's coworker just spent a year working two jobs and couch surfing while she sub-let her apartment - all to pay for her dad's cancer treatment and to pay her family's bills. He passed away two months ago.
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@hacks4pancakes it is pretty clear that Israel is the boss of the US rn
Epstein brokered away America's executives and political operatives to Israel in the form of child rape kompromat videos. That eschelon of American society is rotten through with sociopathic attitudes.
To their credit, authortarian Israel undertook an intergenerational genocide social engineering project. Done in coperation with ruzzia's own social engineering project begun in the 90's. ruZZia's capital flight during the fall of the USSR was far more strategically organized than anyone's given credit to.
Buying out the right and splintering the (economic) liberal world order was as easy as removing the west's unifying existential enemy -the USSR- and forming financial alliances with domestic authoritarian movements with the sovrein wealth that had been accumulating interest in our banking system. The fix was in by the time Citizens United v. FEC opened the floodgates to foreign political contributions.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes Apparently I was in with a bunch of blasphemers.
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@hacks4pancakes the war on Iraq followed a very vivid attack on the US, even if the attack didn't come from Iraq. The war on Iran follows Trump's whims.
@RichSPK @hacks4pancakes no. The war in Iraq was justified by nothing but warmongering and lies to get the oil and the contracts to rebuild after destroying everything. The French saw through the stupidity and didn’t join for a very good reason. This war in Iran is no different.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes imagine coming back after wiping out an elementary school in broad daylight under everyone's eyes
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@Pineywoozle immoral support
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@Pineywoozle immoral support
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes I realise your statement may deliberately be US centric, and in that context makes sense. My own memories of that time include never having seen so many people on the streets outside Love Parade... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_Iraq_War_protests
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@radio_alelopatia @hacks4pancakes
Are they doing this because Donny has a deal with the Schah-prince for Iranian oil or because he wants to stop Arabian oil passing Hormuz and get better prices for his fraking oil?
This mess will surely pad his pockets. -
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