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  3. SpaceX takes out massive loans to litter low Earth orbit with Starlinks, running up interest.

SpaceX takes out massive loans to litter low Earth orbit with Starlinks, running up interest.

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  • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
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    SpaceX takes out massive loans to litter low Earth orbit with Starlinks, running up interest.

    Then SpaceX says "If you ignore all of the costs from building the Starlinks, they are making money. Give us your cash so we can further mess up the sky."

    Quite the scam.

    silkester@mastodon.socialS ben@snac.benbuhse.comB brucemirken@mas.toB drahardja@sfba.socialD 4 Replies Last reply
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    • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

      SpaceX takes out massive loans to litter low Earth orbit with Starlinks, running up interest.

      Then SpaceX says "If you ignore all of the costs from building the Starlinks, they are making money. Give us your cash so we can further mess up the sky."

      Quite the scam.

      silkester@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @michael_w_busch

      And while Starlink claims they can bring down defective satelites, a claim I only partially believe timeframe wise, every time one of those many staellites is hit with an asteroid or piece of saterlite, space debris from rockets, more pieces shoot around at a davastating speed, damaging more satellites.

      It will never end. These satellite replacements will require tax subsidies...
      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuVOM067OOo

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        @michael_w_busch

        And while Starlink claims they can bring down defective satelites, a claim I only partially believe timeframe wise, every time one of those many staellites is hit with an asteroid or piece of saterlite, space debris from rockets, more pieces shoot around at a davastating speed, damaging more satellites.

        It will never end. These satellite replacements will require tax subsidies...
        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuVOM067OOo

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        @silkester

        For calculations of what happens if the Starlinks' active collision avoidance should be interrupted, I defer to @sundogplanets :

        Prof. Sam Lawler (@sundogplanets@mastodon.social)

        Great article by @startswithabang about how crowded it's getting up there (with lots of quotes from me): https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/earths-orbit-is-getting-crowded-heres-how-we-avoid-a-disaster/ By the way, the CRASH Clock, how long it would take for a collision in orbit if all satellite maneuvers suddenly stopped, is now down to 3 days as of late March (down from 3.8 days in January, and 5.5 days last June. Sigh.) https://outerspaceinstitute.ca/crashclock/

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        • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

          SpaceX takes out massive loans to litter low Earth orbit with Starlinks, running up interest.

          Then SpaceX says "If you ignore all of the costs from building the Starlinks, they are making money. Give us your cash so we can further mess up the sky."

          Quite the scam.

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          Sounds the same as Anthropic’s CEO saying “if you ignore the cost of training the models, we’re making a profit”
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          • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

            @silkester

            For calculations of what happens if the Starlinks' active collision avoidance should be interrupted, I defer to @sundogplanets :

            Prof. Sam Lawler (@sundogplanets@mastodon.social)

            Great article by @startswithabang about how crowded it's getting up there (with lots of quotes from me): https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/earths-orbit-is-getting-crowded-heres-how-we-avoid-a-disaster/ By the way, the CRASH Clock, how long it would take for a collision in orbit if all satellite maneuvers suddenly stopped, is now down to 3 days as of late March (down from 3.8 days in January, and 5.5 days last June. Sigh.) https://outerspaceinstitute.ca/crashclock/

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            @michael_w_busch @sundogplanets

            As I understand the collision avoidance refers to larger objects. Small pieces shoot holes into satellites on the regular and produce more bullet size pieces shooting with incedible speed. The denser the satellite net, the more this happens, the more small pieces shoot in every direction, threatening not only LEO satellites bit those in higher orbits.

            Amazon is crowding the lower orbit, a Spanish company announced to crowding lower orbit, ...

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            • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

              SpaceX takes out massive loans to litter low Earth orbit with Starlinks, running up interest.

              Then SpaceX says "If you ignore all of the costs from building the Starlinks, they are making money. Give us your cash so we can further mess up the sky."

              Quite the scam.

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              @michael_w_busch I don't actually believe in hell, but would make an exception for #ElonMusk

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              • silkester@mastodon.socialS silkester@mastodon.social

                @michael_w_busch @sundogplanets

                As I understand the collision avoidance refers to larger objects. Small pieces shoot holes into satellites on the regular and produce more bullet size pieces shooting with incedible speed. The denser the satellite net, the more this happens, the more small pieces shoot in every direction, threatening not only LEO satellites bit those in higher orbits.

                Amazon is crowding the lower orbit, a Spanish company announced to crowding lower orbit, ...

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                @silkester @sundogplanets

                Most orbital debris production is the result of collisions between spacecraft and large pieces of them, because there is more mass involved.

                Which means that collision avoidance stopping would very rapidly become a very big problem.

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                • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

                  @silkester @sundogplanets

                  Most orbital debris production is the result of collisions between spacecraft and large pieces of them, because there is more mass involved.

                  Which means that collision avoidance stopping would very rapidly become a very big problem.

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                  @michael_w_busch @sundogplanets

                  True. It doesn't mean the smaller objects are harmless, esp when it comes to comercial satelliites where cost cutting is standard operation and Musk is infamous for cutting corner on the expense of safety.

                  Musk is also infamous for milking government grants and exploit via government contracts. Starlink is a very questionable business model and the more satelites are knocked out by fist size bullets and need replacement, cost cutting may be ecen more prevalent.

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                    @michael_w_busch @sundogplanets

                    True. It doesn't mean the smaller objects are harmless, esp when it comes to comercial satelliites where cost cutting is standard operation and Musk is infamous for cutting corner on the expense of safety.

                    Musk is also infamous for milking government grants and exploit via government contracts. Starlink is a very questionable business model and the more satelites are knocked out by fist size bullets and need replacement, cost cutting may be ecen more prevalent.

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                    @silkester

                    Starlinks also sometimes spontaneously explode without any collision being required.

                    Again due to cost cutting.

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                    • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

                      SpaceX takes out massive loans to litter low Earth orbit with Starlinks, running up interest.

                      Then SpaceX says "If you ignore all of the costs from building the Starlinks, they are making money. Give us your cash so we can further mess up the sky."

                      Quite the scam.

                      drahardja@sfba.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @michael_w_busch inb4 “You gotta keep us financially viable so we can prevent our thousands of satellites from colliding! You don’t want us to Kessler your LEO do you?”

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