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"Any method that can be misused to surreptitiously track people's movements without their knowledge is concerning," EFF’s @cooperq told CNET.

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  • nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchangeN nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchange

    @eff @cooperq so the problem sensors are on the tires? Or the car? The article seems to say that these are in newer tires/wheels, implying the part that's in the cars is just a reciever, but also says older cars dont have this issue (despite presumably using new tires)

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    @NocturnalNessa @eff @cooperq The sensors are installed inside the tires. I believe they are part of the valve stem assembly. They don't bother installing them in the tires of old cars that don't have tire pressure monitoring systems.

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    • gneilyo@mastodon.onlineG gneilyo@mastodon.online

      @NocturnalNessa @eff @cooperq The sensors are installed inside the tires. I believe they are part of the valve stem assembly. They don't bother installing them in the tires of old cars that don't have tire pressure monitoring systems.

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      @gneilyo @eff @cooperq thanks, that makes sense. i wonder if they make rf blocking valve stem covers

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      • eff@mastodon.socialE eff@mastodon.social

        "Any method that can be misused to surreptitiously track people's movements without their knowledge is concerning," EFF’s @cooperq told CNET. "But so are all of the technologies in modern cars that intentionally violate drivers' privacy.”
        https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hacker-threat-hiding-in-car-tire-pressure-system/

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        @eff @cooperq

        Not if you drive old cars!!

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        • nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchangeN nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchange

          @gneilyo @eff @cooperq thanks, that makes sense. i wonder if they make rf blocking valve stem covers

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          @NocturnalNessa @eff @cooperq Anything that would block the signal from being intercepted would probably also prevent communication with your car.

          It might be easier to get the sensors removed from your tires. Doing so will make your car show the tire warning lamp but at least you'd know the cause!

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          • gneilyo@mastodon.onlineG gneilyo@mastodon.online

            @NocturnalNessa @eff @cooperq Anything that would block the signal from being intercepted would probably also prevent communication with your car.

            It might be easier to get the sensors removed from your tires. Doing so will make your car show the tire warning lamp but at least you'd know the cause!

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            @gneilyo i know. i was proposing this as an easier/reversible alternative to removing the sensor

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            • nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchangeN nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchange

              @gneilyo i know. i was proposing this as an easier/reversible alternative to removing the sensor

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              @gneilyo i think if i wanted to go the route of hardware id see about making it not wireless. difficult, because youre wiring something that spins to something that (unless something is very wrong) does not spin. but i doubt its much throughput or along many channels or anything

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              • nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchangeN nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchange

                @gneilyo i think if i wanted to go the route of hardware id see about making it not wireless. difficult, because youre wiring something that spins to something that (unless something is very wrong) does not spin. but i doubt its much throughput or along many channels or anything

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                @gneilyo you did just give me one other thought though: you could probably simply weaken the signal with covers without totally blocking it? so maybe your car could pick it up (though maybe less reliably) and an adversary 5m away could pick it up but an adversary 50m away could not?

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                • eff@mastodon.socialE eff@mastodon.social

                  "Any method that can be misused to surreptitiously track people's movements without their knowledge is concerning," EFF’s @cooperq told CNET. "But so are all of the technologies in modern cars that intentionally violate drivers' privacy.”
                  https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hacker-threat-hiding-in-car-tire-pressure-system/

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                  @eff reminds me of this

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                  • nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchangeN nocturnalnessa@infosec.exchange

                    @gneilyo you did just give me one other thought though: you could probably simply weaken the signal with covers without totally blocking it? so maybe your car could pick it up (though maybe less reliably) and an adversary 5m away could pick it up but an adversary 50m away could not?

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                    @NocturnalNessa Do check back if you come up with something

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                    • gneilyo@mastodon.onlineG gneilyo@mastodon.online

                      @NocturnalNessa Do check back if you come up with something

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                      @NocturnalNessa I actually need a new set because at least one of the ones in my car has a dead battery.

                      I wonder if any of them have the ability to trim the power output of their radios? 🤔

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                      • eff@mastodon.socialE eff@mastodon.social

                        "Any method that can be misused to surreptitiously track people's movements without their knowledge is concerning," EFF’s @cooperq told CNET. "But so are all of the technologies in modern cars that intentionally violate drivers' privacy.”
                        https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hacker-threat-hiding-in-car-tire-pressure-system/

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                        @eff @cooperq Not me: my tire pressure hazard light has been on for about 2 years. And, no, there's nothing wrong with my tire pressure.

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