Going to the UK polls today?
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@sinabhfuil @pluralistic Pretty lame that you have failed to note that the UK Liberal Democrats in both England and Wales are amongst the most vocal opponents of Palantir in the NHS - but then I can see why across the pond its only the populist noise from the Greens that penetrates...
UK weighs break clause in Palantir NHS deal
: £330M deal leaves service with no ownership of software built to connect trusts to the platform
theregister (www.theregister.com)
@robertklaschka @sinabhfuil @pluralistic Yeah, worth also saying, I reckon, that this is a national issue, while today we're electing local councillors.
Same as our elections generally, my formula:
1. understand the electoral profile of our ward, e.g. here's me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bredbury_and_Woodley_(Stockport_electoral_ward) (2-way "split", across 3 seats, between Labour and Lib Dem, albeit seems the actual current LAB councillors have since gone Indy!).
2. vote for the closest aligned to us out of those with a chance of getting in. -
@robertklaschka @sinabhfuil @pluralistic Yeah, worth also saying, I reckon, that this is a national issue, while today we're electing local councillors.
Same as our elections generally, my formula:
1. understand the electoral profile of our ward, e.g. here's me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bredbury_and_Woodley_(Stockport_electoral_ward) (2-way "split", across 3 seats, between Labour and Lib Dem, albeit seems the actual current LAB councillors have since gone Indy!).
2. vote for the closest aligned to us out of those with a chance of getting in.@miblo @sinabhfuil @pluralistic in a sense that isn't what is playing out in Winchester where the LDs are encumbant with the Tories having faded to nothing and the Greens in the city mostly in second place and Reform third. Labour are nowhere.
I have no issues with more Green councillors but the way our local candidate has gone about it, literally lying about the way he has voted and characterising the LDs as supporting county level issues they don't has been a surprise.
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Going to the UK polls today? Remember, Labour is the party that just greenlit Palantir being in charge of all the health data in our NHS:
Minister gives Palantir's NHS platform a clean bill of health
£330M contract defended as value for money despite concerns over IP and lock-in
theregister (www.theregister.com)
While the Greens are the party that has put Palantir on notice that all of its contracts will be torn up and the company will be ejected from the country after the next general election:
Zack Polanski tells defence surveillance corporation Palantir to ‘pack its bags and get the hell out of the NHS’ - Green Party
The Green Party leader has today delivered a notice of contract termination to Palantir which has a seven year £330m contract with the NHS to build FDP, the ‘NHS Federated Data Platform’ to link and manage patient data. Green Party leader Zack Polanski said: “I have today handed a letter to Palantir serving it notice […]
Green Party (greenparty.org.uk)
@pluralistic Good as any other reason not to vote for Labour
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@pluralistic green is the only vote at the moment.
In reality, it depends where you are. Plaid Cymru, alongside other opposition parties, has taken a firm stand against allowing Palantir to manage NHS patient data.
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@miblo @sinabhfuil @pluralistic in a sense that isn't what is playing out in Winchester where the LDs are encumbant with the Tories having faded to nothing and the Greens in the city mostly in second place and Reform third. Labour are nowhere.
I have no issues with more Green councillors but the way our local candidate has gone about it, literally lying about the way he has voted and characterising the LDs as supporting county level issues they don't has been a surprise.
@robertklaschka @sinabhfuil @pluralistic Ah right, interesting profile but, yeah, a surprise and a shame to hear of this. Really no place for such lies and smears among those of us on the power-distributive side of things, imo.
Same, though, I'd (otherwise) welcome more Greens, and actually voted for and got a Green MEP at our most recent European Parliament elections, when I figured the D'Hondt method was up to the task!
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Going to the UK polls today? Remember, Labour is the party that just greenlit Palantir being in charge of all the health data in our NHS:
Minister gives Palantir's NHS platform a clean bill of health
£330M contract defended as value for money despite concerns over IP and lock-in
theregister (www.theregister.com)
While the Greens are the party that has put Palantir on notice that all of its contracts will be torn up and the company will be ejected from the country after the next general election:
Zack Polanski tells defence surveillance corporation Palantir to ‘pack its bags and get the hell out of the NHS’ - Green Party
The Green Party leader has today delivered a notice of contract termination to Palantir which has a seven year £330m contract with the NHS to build FDP, the ‘NHS Federated Data Platform’ to link and manage patient data. Green Party leader Zack Polanski said: “I have today handed a letter to Palantir serving it notice […]
Green Party (greenparty.org.uk)
@pluralistic my house in Wandsworth received some crazy propaganda from the conservatives that basically said if you want to prevent reform from winning and you want to vote against Labour, you have to vote conservative (I interpreted this as them saying voting green will give reform a win).
I'm new to the UK so this is my first encounter with council politics, but this felt a little bonkers.
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@pluralistic my house in Wandsworth received some crazy propaganda from the conservatives that basically said if you want to prevent reform from winning and you want to vote against Labour, you have to vote conservative (I interpreted this as them saying voting green will give reform a win).
I'm new to the UK so this is my first encounter with council politics, but this felt a little bonkers.
@purplelotus13 @pluralistic Always a good sign when politics need arguments that are not their program to win your vote! -
@pluralistic my house in Wandsworth received some crazy propaganda from the conservatives that basically said if you want to prevent reform from winning and you want to vote against Labour, you have to vote conservative (I interpreted this as them saying voting green will give reform a win).
I'm new to the UK so this is my first encounter with council politics, but this felt a little bonkers.
@purplelotus13 @pluralistic I really wish we would make fliers with dodgy bar charts and tactical voting recommendations illegal. The bar charts in particular.
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@sinabhfuil @pluralistic Pretty lame that you have failed to note that the UK Liberal Democrats in both England and Wales are amongst the most vocal opponents of Palantir in the NHS - but then I can see why across the pond its only the populist noise from the Greens that penetrates...
UK weighs break clause in Palantir NHS deal
: £330M deal leaves service with no ownership of software built to connect trusts to the platform
theregister (www.theregister.com)
@robertklaschka @sinabhfuil @pluralistic what is really striking is that I'm seeing far more anti-Labour than anti-far right posts on this platform
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@pluralistic really... that old chestnut still. Yes they were naive then, but since then they have proved at a local and national level they have a level headed approach and are likely to have the largest representation of any party at local level, if not this year with the next two. This is because they get on with the job.
If you look at the way the Greens have conducted themselves here in Winchester any semblence of a different kind of politics from the Greens has been swept away.
@robertklaschka @pluralistic clearly you are not used to coalitions, the response to that happening one time in the UK, and involving, you know, compromises, was a thing to behold from across the North Sea where we've never had one-party rule
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@pluralistic my house in Wandsworth received some crazy propaganda from the conservatives that basically said if you want to prevent reform from winning and you want to vote against Labour, you have to vote conservative (I interpreted this as them saying voting green will give reform a win).
I'm new to the UK so this is my first encounter with council politics, but this felt a little bonkers.
@purplelotus13 @pluralistic the problem is that all votes that dont go to the winning party are completely lost if i understood the system correctly.
One party gets the majority, and thats it.
No matter if 75% wanted something different, if one gets 20% and all others 19% the 20% win the election.please someone correct me, this is only what i remember from school, and its been a while...
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In reality, it depends where you are. Plaid Cymru, alongside other opposition parties, has taken a firm stand against allowing Palantir to manage NHS patient data.
@Walrus @pluralistic good to hear.
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@pluralistic really... that old chestnut still. Yes they were naive then, but since then they have proved at a local and national level they have a level headed approach and are likely to have the largest representation of any party at local level, if not this year with the next two. This is because they get on with the job.
If you look at the way the Greens have conducted themselves here in Winchester any semblence of a different kind of politics from the Greens has been swept away.
Not sure about your locale, but in Cambridge (where the council has flipped between Labour and Lib Dem repeatedly) is not positive. The main thing that the Lib Dems do is blame Labour for things (and vice versa). Both parties are far more concerned with playing the blame game than actually improving things.
They managed to reach consensus with Labour on introducing a congestion charge (which would have improved air quality and public safety), and then chickened out at the last minute and blamed the thing that they'd been supporting for the previous two years on Labour.
Oh, and they put a thing through my door using two-year-old polling data to try to justify why they're the party most likely to beat Labour.
So, yeah, not going to trust those guys.
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@robertklaschka @sinabhfuil @pluralistic what is really striking is that I'm seeing far more anti-Labour than anti-far right posts on this platform
@mkoek @robertklaschka @pluralistic In UK, Labour are being very rightish
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@condret @pluralistic Irish Greens are leftish and humane - see @Feljin @JanetPHorner @raycunningham
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Not sure about your locale, but in Cambridge (where the council has flipped between Labour and Lib Dem repeatedly) is not positive. The main thing that the Lib Dems do is blame Labour for things (and vice versa). Both parties are far more concerned with playing the blame game than actually improving things.
They managed to reach consensus with Labour on introducing a congestion charge (which would have improved air quality and public safety), and then chickened out at the last minute and blamed the thing that they'd been supporting for the previous two years on Labour.
Oh, and they put a thing through my door using two-year-old polling data to try to justify why they're the party most likely to beat Labour.
So, yeah, not going to trust those guys.
@david_chisnall @pluralistic I'm sympathetic with all of that. My point was that I see a lot of rhetoric on here, and from the Greens claiming to offer a different more honest type of politics. The reality is that when they are trying to gain a seat locally they have defaulted to exactly the behaviour you are talking about.
The sad thing here is that locally the LDs and Greens were working together, because they were aligned on policy. That's gone now here because the trust is gone.
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@david_chisnall @pluralistic I'm sympathetic with all of that. My point was that I see a lot of rhetoric on here, and from the Greens claiming to offer a different more honest type of politics. The reality is that when they are trying to gain a seat locally they have defaulted to exactly the behaviour you are talking about.
The sad thing here is that locally the LDs and Greens were working together, because they were aligned on policy. That's gone now here because the trust is gone.
So far, every party has put a piece of paper containing slightly misleading polling data through my door. The Green Party was the only one where the polls were ones that did not make them look more popular than they are.
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