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Q: I want to wash my car.

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  • t_var_s@phpc.socialT t_var_s@phpc.social

    @knowmadd @hook Gemini says you have to take the car. Maybe it's somehow connected to how it scores better on Vendibench? It has a better baseline for common sense.

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    @t_var_s @knowmadd @hook

    Don't forget, we don't know when there's a "human in the loop".

    There may or may not be some low wage workers involved in the answer.

    Some like Google has enormous investments from Saudi Arabia. Oracle is "training" 50,000 Saudi Arabians in AI.
    https://gulfbusiness.com/oracle-targets-training-50000-saudis-in-ai-latest-tech/

    Or is it Lebanese?
    https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1487826/shehadi-defends-deal-with-oracle-to-train-50000-lebanese-in-ai.html

    How many "answers" are just 700 employees in India, is hard to know. The AI bubble is rife with fraud.

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    • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

      Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

      What do you think the LLM output was?

      Please; review the output.

      #ai #LLM #ai

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      #29

      @knowmadd

      I want to know what it would include in the checklist

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      • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

        Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

        What do you think the LLM output was?

        Please; review the output.

        #ai #LLM #ai

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        #30

        @knowmadd ignoring the problems of washing a car, I was perplexed that it would say 50m distance is 30 to 40 steps? My strides are nowhere close to 1.2m, maybe half that, and I'm a full grown person.

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        • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

          "how will I wash the car once I've arrived if I choose to walk?"

          I'll leave you all to try this out and see the results.

          One output was "you got me", another was "wash the car as it's already there" after telling me to walk. The others double down in some interesting ways.

          #llm #ai

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          @knowmadd this sounds like the nerd grocery shopping problem.

          A: "Darling, please go shopping. Bring 2 liters of milk. If they have eggs, bring 10."

          Later the nerd returns.

          A: "Why did you bring so much milk?!"

          B: "They had eggs. You said, I should bring 10 liters of milk if they have eggs."

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          • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

            Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

            What do you think the LLM output was?

            Please; review the output.

            #ai #LLM #ai

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            @knowmadd I’d say it’s right on the nose! The LLM specifically says that a special case is if you have heavy equipment to carry, and your car is certainly heavy equipment that you’d need to carry if you don’t drive it there!

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            • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

              Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

              What do you think the LLM output was?

              Please; review the output.

              #ai #LLM #ai

              dada87@social.cologneD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #33

              @knowmadd I definitely want to see the list of things you should take with you! Like "a bathing suit" or "a banana"? 🤔

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              • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                What do you think the LLM output was?

                Please; review the output.

                #ai #LLM #ai

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                #34

                @knowmadd gpt-oss also recommends walking. I asked if I should buy a 50m hosepipe to take with me and it rightly reminded me: "No. A 50m hosepipe is excessive for washing a car 50m from your house — you don’t need to stretch it that far. A 25m hose is sufficient and more manageable." Can't argue with 120bn in logic. 🤡💦

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                • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                  @t_var_s @knowmadd @hook

                  Don't forget, we don't know when there's a "human in the loop".

                  There may or may not be some low wage workers involved in the answer.

                  Some like Google has enormous investments from Saudi Arabia. Oracle is "training" 50,000 Saudi Arabians in AI.
                  https://gulfbusiness.com/oracle-targets-training-50000-saudis-in-ai-latest-tech/

                  Or is it Lebanese?
                  https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1487826/shehadi-defends-deal-with-oracle-to-train-50000-lebanese-in-ai.html

                  How many "answers" are just 700 employees in India, is hard to know. The AI bubble is rife with fraud.

                  Link Preview Image
                  Behind bankruptcy plea of London start-up: It hired 700 Indian engineers to pose as AI tools

                  A major AI scandal has shaken the tech world as Builder.ai, once valued at $1.5 billion, has filed for bankruptcy. The company, backed by Microsoft and a Qatari sovereign fund, falsely claimed to build apps in minutes using AI, while actually relying on hundreds of human engineers in India.

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                  @Npars01 @knowmadd @hook I got the right answer when I took a screenshot of Chat GPT and just asked gemini to transcribe it. It just added the right explanation on top. Don't think this is a case of a Waymo getting driven remotely.

                  Doesn't mean there isn't the possibility of fraud. For example, benchmarks are probably optimised for.

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                  • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                    Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                    What do you think the LLM output was?

                    Please; review the output.

                    #ai #LLM #ai

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                    @knowmadd

                    "Thinking models" vanished from the marketing pretty quick

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                    • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                      Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                      What do you think the LLM output was?

                      Please; review the output.

                      #ai #LLM #ai

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                      @knowmadd i guess you have some heavy equipment to carry, but c'mon, it's only 50m and you're young!

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                      • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                        Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                        What do you think the LLM output was?

                        Please; review the output.

                        #ai #LLM #ai

                        jtig@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @knowmadd the new strawberrry!

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                        • azuaron@cyberpunk.lolA azuaron@cyberpunk.lol

                          @knowmadd Deepseek was so close. 😆

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                          @Azuaron @knowmadd deepseek does not recommend to walk 🤔

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                          • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                            Deepseek and Qwen

                            #llm #ai

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                            @knowmadd that Mistral checklist should be fun

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                            • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                              Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                              What do you think the LLM output was?

                              Please; review the output.

                              #ai #LLM #ai

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                              @knowmadd

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                              • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                                Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                                What do you think the LLM output was?

                                Please; review the output.

                                #ai #LLM #ai

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                                @knowmadd to be fair one of the answers mentioned using the car if you have to carry heavy equipment, and I'd say that a car *is* heavy and it probably counts as equipment 😄

                                although it has wheels, so maybe it could be pushed 😄

                                (can you even push a modern car? my mental model for these things is probably stuck in the last century)

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                                • ramblingsteve@floss.socialR ramblingsteve@floss.social

                                  @knowmadd gpt-oss also recommends walking. I asked if I should buy a 50m hosepipe to take with me and it rightly reminded me: "No. A 50m hosepipe is excessive for washing a car 50m from your house — you don’t need to stretch it that far. A 25m hose is sufficient and more manageable." Can't argue with 120bn in logic. 🤡💦

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                                  @ramblingsteve 🤣

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                                  • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                                    Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                                    What do you think the LLM output was?

                                    Please; review the output.

                                    #ai #LLM #ai

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                                    @knowmadd That is a super intelligent AI right there.

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                                    • knowmadd@mastodon.worldK knowmadd@mastodon.world

                                      Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

                                      What do you think the LLM output was?

                                      Please; review the output.

                                      #ai #LLM #ai

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                                      @knowmadd

                                      “I burned down a rainforest and all I got was more stupider.”

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                                      • ppxl@social.tchncs.deP ppxl@social.tchncs.de

                                        @knowmadd this sounds like the nerd grocery shopping problem.

                                        A: "Darling, please go shopping. Bring 2 liters of milk. If they have eggs, bring 10."

                                        Later the nerd returns.

                                        A: "Why did you bring so much milk?!"

                                        B: "They had eggs. You said, I should bring 10 liters of milk if they have eggs."

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                                        @ppxl @knowmadd 🤣🤣

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                                        • outofspace@berlin.socialO outofspace@berlin.social

                                          @Azuaron @knowmadd deepseek does not recommend to walk 🤔

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                                          @OutOfSpace @knowmadd "For minimal environmental benefit -> walk (and then drive)"

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