To elaborate:
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To elaborate:
It is not #antisemitism if you criticize #Israel for their war crimes, that new death penalty that's exclusive for Palestinians, the clear ethnic cleansing they are doing when they are flattening Palestinian settlements and building Israeli settlements that replace them. Condemning these is very legitimate.
However, it _is_ antisemitism when you pretend that Israel is the only nation involved in the conflicts of the Middle east who has their own agency. And when you claim that Israel somehow "makes other nations do their bidding", that's when we verge into "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" shit. Yeah, Israel lobbies other countries. But every country does that, and the nation that support Israel have their own reasons for doing so.
Take the #USA . They have a _powerful_ voting block of Christian fanatics who want Israel to be restored "in its historical borders" (whatever _that_ is supposed to mean) so that they can reach another milestone along their path to the literal End Times. So of course they are not just going to "support Israel", but the very worst people in Israel who are all in on the ethnic cleansing.
Furthermore, Israel is an ideal testbed for surveillance technology. All those technologies that are currently field tested on Palestinians will soon be used against black and Latin people in the USA - with the goal of upholding #WhiteSupremacy . From the perspective of shitty American leaders, both of these are excellent reasons to "support Israel" beyond somehow "being made to do Israel's bidding".
And reactionaries in both North America and Europe find the Israel-Palestine conflicts _very_ useful for their agenda. By supporting Israel, they can claim: "We are not bigots - look how we are supporting Jews, one of the most persecuted minorities! It's all those Muslims who are doing all the antisemitism in our lands (ignore the Nazi members in our movements)!" I sincerely doubt if most of them even care whether Jews and Muslims are killing each other - but they care very much about purging the Muslims from Europe and North America, and this conflict provides a never-ending source of excuses for stating that "Muslims do not belong to Europe/the USA!"
And then there are nations like #SaudiArabia who have not-so-covert alliances with Israel. Their biggest regional rival is #Iran - and the Sunni-Shiite conflict is far older than the founding of modern-day Israel. So of course they are going to support anything that takes Iran down a peg, as long as they themselves are not overly inconvenienced by the fallout.
Political leaders of other countries who support Israel's policies do so for their own reasons. They _choose_ this, and had full agency in their decision - Israel did not somehow "force" them to do this.
And pointing this out does not make me an "apologist for #Zionism " or some such nonsense. I merely refuse to accept the narrative that Israel, and Israel alone is somehow the source of all evils in the Middle East.
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To elaborate:
It is not #antisemitism if you criticize #Israel for their war crimes, that new death penalty that's exclusive for Palestinians, the clear ethnic cleansing they are doing when they are flattening Palestinian settlements and building Israeli settlements that replace them. Condemning these is very legitimate.
However, it _is_ antisemitism when you pretend that Israel is the only nation involved in the conflicts of the Middle east who has their own agency. And when you claim that Israel somehow "makes other nations do their bidding", that's when we verge into "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" shit. Yeah, Israel lobbies other countries. But every country does that, and the nation that support Israel have their own reasons for doing so.
Take the #USA . They have a _powerful_ voting block of Christian fanatics who want Israel to be restored "in its historical borders" (whatever _that_ is supposed to mean) so that they can reach another milestone along their path to the literal End Times. So of course they are not just going to "support Israel", but the very worst people in Israel who are all in on the ethnic cleansing.
Furthermore, Israel is an ideal testbed for surveillance technology. All those technologies that are currently field tested on Palestinians will soon be used against black and Latin people in the USA - with the goal of upholding #WhiteSupremacy . From the perspective of shitty American leaders, both of these are excellent reasons to "support Israel" beyond somehow "being made to do Israel's bidding".
And reactionaries in both North America and Europe find the Israel-Palestine conflicts _very_ useful for their agenda. By supporting Israel, they can claim: "We are not bigots - look how we are supporting Jews, one of the most persecuted minorities! It's all those Muslims who are doing all the antisemitism in our lands (ignore the Nazi members in our movements)!" I sincerely doubt if most of them even care whether Jews and Muslims are killing each other - but they care very much about purging the Muslims from Europe and North America, and this conflict provides a never-ending source of excuses for stating that "Muslims do not belong to Europe/the USA!"
And then there are nations like #SaudiArabia who have not-so-covert alliances with Israel. Their biggest regional rival is #Iran - and the Sunni-Shiite conflict is far older than the founding of modern-day Israel. So of course they are going to support anything that takes Iran down a peg, as long as they themselves are not overly inconvenienced by the fallout.
Political leaders of other countries who support Israel's policies do so for their own reasons. They _choose_ this, and had full agency in their decision - Israel did not somehow "force" them to do this.
And pointing this out does not make me an "apologist for #Zionism " or some such nonsense. I merely refuse to accept the narrative that Israel, and Israel alone is somehow the source of all evils in the Middle East.
@juergen_hubert dont critizise israel for its war crimes. You should condemn war crimes.
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@juergen_hubert dont critizise israel for its war crimes. You should condemn war crimes.
"Condemning these is very legitimate."
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To elaborate:
It is not #antisemitism if you criticize #Israel for their war crimes, that new death penalty that's exclusive for Palestinians, the clear ethnic cleansing they are doing when they are flattening Palestinian settlements and building Israeli settlements that replace them. Condemning these is very legitimate.
However, it _is_ antisemitism when you pretend that Israel is the only nation involved in the conflicts of the Middle east who has their own agency. And when you claim that Israel somehow "makes other nations do their bidding", that's when we verge into "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" shit. Yeah, Israel lobbies other countries. But every country does that, and the nation that support Israel have their own reasons for doing so.
Take the #USA . They have a _powerful_ voting block of Christian fanatics who want Israel to be restored "in its historical borders" (whatever _that_ is supposed to mean) so that they can reach another milestone along their path to the literal End Times. So of course they are not just going to "support Israel", but the very worst people in Israel who are all in on the ethnic cleansing.
Furthermore, Israel is an ideal testbed for surveillance technology. All those technologies that are currently field tested on Palestinians will soon be used against black and Latin people in the USA - with the goal of upholding #WhiteSupremacy . From the perspective of shitty American leaders, both of these are excellent reasons to "support Israel" beyond somehow "being made to do Israel's bidding".
And reactionaries in both North America and Europe find the Israel-Palestine conflicts _very_ useful for their agenda. By supporting Israel, they can claim: "We are not bigots - look how we are supporting Jews, one of the most persecuted minorities! It's all those Muslims who are doing all the antisemitism in our lands (ignore the Nazi members in our movements)!" I sincerely doubt if most of them even care whether Jews and Muslims are killing each other - but they care very much about purging the Muslims from Europe and North America, and this conflict provides a never-ending source of excuses for stating that "Muslims do not belong to Europe/the USA!"
And then there are nations like #SaudiArabia who have not-so-covert alliances with Israel. Their biggest regional rival is #Iran - and the Sunni-Shiite conflict is far older than the founding of modern-day Israel. So of course they are going to support anything that takes Iran down a peg, as long as they themselves are not overly inconvenienced by the fallout.
Political leaders of other countries who support Israel's policies do so for their own reasons. They _choose_ this, and had full agency in their decision - Israel did not somehow "force" them to do this.
And pointing this out does not make me an "apologist for #Zionism " or some such nonsense. I merely refuse to accept the narrative that Israel, and Israel alone is somehow the source of all evils in the Middle East.
@juergen_hubert Yup. Thanks for pointing this out in clear language. It's absolutely disgusting how many states actively support the Israeli regime or just quietly look the other way.
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To elaborate:
It is not #antisemitism if you criticize #Israel for their war crimes, that new death penalty that's exclusive for Palestinians, the clear ethnic cleansing they are doing when they are flattening Palestinian settlements and building Israeli settlements that replace them. Condemning these is very legitimate.
However, it _is_ antisemitism when you pretend that Israel is the only nation involved in the conflicts of the Middle east who has their own agency. And when you claim that Israel somehow "makes other nations do their bidding", that's when we verge into "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" shit. Yeah, Israel lobbies other countries. But every country does that, and the nation that support Israel have their own reasons for doing so.
Take the #USA . They have a _powerful_ voting block of Christian fanatics who want Israel to be restored "in its historical borders" (whatever _that_ is supposed to mean) so that they can reach another milestone along their path to the literal End Times. So of course they are not just going to "support Israel", but the very worst people in Israel who are all in on the ethnic cleansing.
Furthermore, Israel is an ideal testbed for surveillance technology. All those technologies that are currently field tested on Palestinians will soon be used against black and Latin people in the USA - with the goal of upholding #WhiteSupremacy . From the perspective of shitty American leaders, both of these are excellent reasons to "support Israel" beyond somehow "being made to do Israel's bidding".
And reactionaries in both North America and Europe find the Israel-Palestine conflicts _very_ useful for their agenda. By supporting Israel, they can claim: "We are not bigots - look how we are supporting Jews, one of the most persecuted minorities! It's all those Muslims who are doing all the antisemitism in our lands (ignore the Nazi members in our movements)!" I sincerely doubt if most of them even care whether Jews and Muslims are killing each other - but they care very much about purging the Muslims from Europe and North America, and this conflict provides a never-ending source of excuses for stating that "Muslims do not belong to Europe/the USA!"
And then there are nations like #SaudiArabia who have not-so-covert alliances with Israel. Their biggest regional rival is #Iran - and the Sunni-Shiite conflict is far older than the founding of modern-day Israel. So of course they are going to support anything that takes Iran down a peg, as long as they themselves are not overly inconvenienced by the fallout.
Political leaders of other countries who support Israel's policies do so for their own reasons. They _choose_ this, and had full agency in their decision - Israel did not somehow "force" them to do this.
And pointing this out does not make me an "apologist for #Zionism " or some such nonsense. I merely refuse to accept the narrative that Israel, and Israel alone is somehow the source of all evils in the Middle East.
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@simon_brooke @juergen_hubert
Dark money and covert interference by Israel should be condemned.
Also Russia, USA, Saudi Arabia, UAE and many others.
Huge sums spent by USA Tech, Fossil fuel & Tobacco lobbies that would be enough to end world poverty & hunger. -
@juergen_hubert
Possibly now apostate "Christians".Who gets to define who is and who is not a "Christian"?
