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"Digital sovereignty," if taken to mean we should switch from unaccountable American companies to unaccountable European companies, is largely missing the point of the problem.

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  • marijn@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    "Digital sovereignty," if taken to mean we should switch from unaccountable American companies to unaccountable European companies, is largely missing the point of the problem. In a globalized economy the two are going to be functionally indistinguishable. What we need is non-profit digital infrastructure that's not beholden to the perversions of financialization.

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      "Digital sovereignty," if taken to mean we should switch from unaccountable American companies to unaccountable European companies, is largely missing the point of the problem. In a globalized economy the two are going to be functionally indistinguishable. What we need is non-profit digital infrastructure that's not beholden to the perversions of financialization.

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      @marijn So many people are cloud-brained by now, they have forgotten—or never learned—how to do things for themselves, and think throwing money at some cloud is always the solution. So of course they think more in terms of switching cloud than switching away from cloud services altogether.

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        @marijn So many people are cloud-brained by now, they have forgotten—or never learned—how to do things for themselves, and think throwing money at some cloud is always the solution. So of course they think more in terms of switching cloud than switching away from cloud services altogether.

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        @liebach

        I'd be interested to understand whether and to what extent the advent of cloud computing has affected the overall resilience of the internet.

        @marijn

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        • marijn@mastodon.socialM marijn@mastodon.social

          "Digital sovereignty," if taken to mean we should switch from unaccountable American companies to unaccountable European companies, is largely missing the point of the problem. In a globalized economy the two are going to be functionally indistinguishable. What we need is non-profit digital infrastructure that's not beholden to the perversions of financialization.

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          @marijn hell yeah marijn ❤️

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            "Digital sovereignty," if taken to mean we should switch from unaccountable American companies to unaccountable European companies, is largely missing the point of the problem. In a globalized economy the two are going to be functionally indistinguishable. What we need is non-profit digital infrastructure that's not beholden to the perversions of financialization.

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            @marijn
            Better regulation of the commercial ones & zero funding/lobbying. Mechanisms to avoid regulatory capture.
            USA is very poor on regulation. FCC is waste of space (deliberate pun).
            Ofcom & Comreg are "captured".
            Irish Data & Finance regulators are useless..

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              "Digital sovereignty," if taken to mean we should switch from unaccountable American companies to unaccountable European companies, is largely missing the point of the problem. In a globalized economy the two are going to be functionally indistinguishable. What we need is non-profit digital infrastructure that's not beholden to the perversions of financialization.

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              @marijn
              As a US company, you only need to stop data collection and advertising, prohibit Patriot Act access by authorities, the NSA, and Palantir, as well as remove all algorithms, and you are close to the European solution.

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                "Digital sovereignty," if taken to mean we should switch from unaccountable American companies to unaccountable European companies, is largely missing the point of the problem. In a globalized economy the two are going to be functionally indistinguishable. What we need is non-profit digital infrastructure that's not beholden to the perversions of financialization.

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                @marijn To be fair, China woke up to this issue long before #eu and has been trying to move away from US tech into #opensource

                As a result, US decided to pump everything it has into AI and LLMs - which are themselves an attack on open source

                The real target of that attack is every country who tries to move away from US tech and use open source software or develop their own #digitalsovereignty. - It's the digital version of America's Wolfawitz Doctrine, not allowing any competitors to emerge!

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