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My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things.

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  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

    My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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    @Daojoan Abso-lutely. I’ve had this exact ideal for the past several years. You should make a product because you want to make the product not to just make money.

    People will say “A business’s only goal is to make money” as if it’s some sort of valid excuse? Even if it was completely true it does not detract from the fact that its not a good thing.

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    • evanwolf@mastodon.socialE evanwolf@mastodon.social

      @Daojoan seems less measurable than "the only people who should run companies that make money are people who deeply give a fuck about money. Only people who love money and love making money should run companies that make money." I keep thinking of the corruption of idealistic young Andreesen to Oligarch Andreesen.

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      @evanwolf @Daojoan
      The mint makes money. Other companies should create value.

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      • praetor@mstdn.socialP praetor@mstdn.social

        @gimulnautti @Daojoan Sometimes not being greedy enough can be a problem. Like me. I'm a massive Open Source hippy. I don't want to "sell" my software. I want people to honestly like my work, get some use out of it, and if they enjoy it enough maybe contribute financially. I struggle at business because I won't promote, and I will NOT use a blood sucking marketer. So...I iz poor 😕

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        #31

        @praetor @Daojoan That problem sounds structural to me.

        It would be the job of the state to build incentive structures for people like you to succeed.

        Recognising the critical role Open Source plays in digital infrastructure would be a start.

        Traditionally people like you would have been public servants. But that role has been completely shat on and wiped the floor with by neoliberal reaganite/thatcherite ideology.

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        • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

          @praetor @Daojoan That problem sounds structural to me.

          It would be the job of the state to build incentive structures for people like you to succeed.

          Recognising the critical role Open Source plays in digital infrastructure would be a start.

          Traditionally people like you would have been public servants. But that role has been completely shat on and wiped the floor with by neoliberal reaganite/thatcherite ideology.

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          @gimulnautti @Daojoan oh very much so. Government IT is all outsourced now.

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          • praetor@mstdn.socialP praetor@mstdn.social

            @gimulnautti @Daojoan oh very much so. Government IT is all outsourced now.

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            #33

            @praetor @Daojoan And overbilled… 10x

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            • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

              @praetor @Daojoan And overbilled… 10x

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              #34

              @gimulnautti @Daojoan very very much so. Cisco is the worst with it.

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              • davidtheeviloverlord@mastodon.socialD davidtheeviloverlord@mastodon.social

                @Uair @Daojoan

                Know about the industry?

                I used to work at an international airport.

                The following is a conversation a work colleague told me about.

                Very Senior Manager At The Airport: "Where does Qatar Airlines fly from?'

                Colleague: "Qatar."

                Manager: "Yes, that's their name. But what country do they fly from?"

                Colleague: "Qatar."

                Manager: "Yes, but what country do they fly from?"

                Colleague: "Qatar."

                Manager: "Yes, I know the airline's name, but what country do they fly from?"

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                #35

                @davidtheeviloverlord

                We really are in the dumbest timeline.

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                • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                  My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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                  #36

                  @Daojoan Exactly.... passion beats spreadsheets , if you don’t love the craft, you shouldn’t own the factory

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                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                    My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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                    @Daojoan yes, but those people LOVE making the thing and they are AWESOME at that, and you want them to stop doing that and start negotiating salaries, planning quarterly procurements, signing things, dealing with co-worker personal emergencies, and doing many, many other things that they HATE, and SUCK at, right? I would sing off on companies should be product driven, not profit, and most definitely not chasing quarterly growth of at least 3% - but for that we need to change the paradigm…

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                    • jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ jrdepriest@infosec.exchange

                      @Daojoan

                      Star Trek has been flarging this up for years. We get good Trek in spite of who's controlling it, not because of them.

                      Abrams and Kurtzman don't even like Star Trek while Seth McFarland went out and made his own loving homage show because he loves Trek so much. Paramount hates Trek.

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                      @jrdepriest @Daojoan Greedy neoliberalism reduces everything to a balance sheet.

                      The problem is that a huge amount of authoritarians are very comfortable sucking up to them, and even feel safe & secure while making careers out of it!

                      We went through an evolutionary squeeze where being obedient guaranteed you offspring, and this is the result.

                      (Is that a Tron bit in your profile pic btw?!!🤩)

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                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                        My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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                        #39

                        @Daojoan I agree but fear it's not economically sustainable.

                        There's this show on public television where they help struggling business owners. They often have a big passion for what they do, but risk burnout and bankruptcy because they don't pay attention to less charming things like operational efficiency and cashflow.

                        For example, a construction company might have to stop making their product from scratch because they work crazy hours and run a loss on everything they sell.

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                        • superblox@mastodon.socialS superblox@mastodon.social

                          @Daojoan I agree but fear it's not economically sustainable.

                          There's this show on public television where they help struggling business owners. They often have a big passion for what they do, but risk burnout and bankruptcy because they don't pay attention to less charming things like operational efficiency and cashflow.

                          For example, a construction company might have to stop making their product from scratch because they work crazy hours and run a loss on everything they sell.

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                          @Daojoan Although to be fair, there's still a difference between giving a fuck and being unable to compromise to keep yourself afloat.

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                          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                            My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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                            @Daojoan trying to think of the most ridiculous thing to have a high level passion for making, like the part in the toilet that makes it flush... And then it comes around to bringing back artisans. At least then, the toilet maker business could have a passion in making the whole toilet!

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                            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                              My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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                              @Daojoan Not even in the most remote kumbaya corners of silicon valley is this true anymore. The mantra today is: Whatever you do, if you dont make quasillions, you are not a genius. No matter who gets bombed

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                              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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                                @Daojoan Come on. Does no one think of the career paths of management consultants?

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                                • xeophin@swiss.socialX xeophin@swiss.social

                                  @Daojoan Come on. Does no one think of the career paths of management consultants?

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                                  @xeophin @Daojoan The bean counters can run bean-counting businesses

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                                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                    My hottest of hot takes: the only people who should run companies that make things are people who deeply give a fuck about those things. Only people who love games and love playing games should run companies that make games. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheeseburgers or software.

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                                    @Daojoan what a way to tell me I should own a burger restaurant more than a software company

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                                    • ska@social.treehouse.systemsS ska@social.treehouse.systems

                                      @Daojoan what a way to tell me I should own a burger restaurant more than a software company

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                                      @ska @Daojoan tbf i think we can all agree running a burger restaurant would be more enjoyable than running a software company in this day and age
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