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  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

    Two-tier society

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    Each time I see cycleways & paths still treacherous hours after the roads have been cleared, I recall this 99% Invisible episode.

    "In Sweden, the council reversed its approach and plowed side-roads & paths first. It had a huge impact, reducing number of people admitted to emergency centres, particularly women. It had an economic impact from lower healthcare costs. Driving through a few inches was less dangerous than walking through snow, particularly if pushing a pram."

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    Snow plowing patterns seem an unlikely subject of a gender study conducted in a small town in Sweden. After all, the town’s approach appeared logical and neutral enough on the surface: plow major roads first, particularly those leading into and out of town, followed by smaller local streets. It is the same sequence played out

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    • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

      Two-tier society

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      @CiaraNi we need a two tyre society

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      • ownohmanny@mastodon.ieO ownohmanny@mastodon.ie

        @CiaraNi we need a two tyre society

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        @ownohmanny Ha yes. Nice!

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        • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

          Two-tier society

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          @CiaraNi I was just thinking this today when a road in my small village had been cleared by piling 20 cm snow onto the pavement.

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          • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

            Each time I see cycleways & paths still treacherous hours after the roads have been cleared, I recall this 99% Invisible episode.

            "In Sweden, the council reversed its approach and plowed side-roads & paths first. It had a huge impact, reducing number of people admitted to emergency centres, particularly women. It had an economic impact from lower healthcare costs. Driving through a few inches was less dangerous than walking through snow, particularly if pushing a pram."

            Link Preview Image
            Invisible Women - 99% Invisible

            Snow plowing patterns seem an unlikely subject of a gender study conducted in a small town in Sweden. After all, the town’s approach appeared logical and neutral enough on the surface: plow major roads first, particularly those leading into and out of town, followed by smaller local streets. It is the same sequence played out

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            @CiaraNi

            My motto for my city is "Fort Worth, the town that sidewalks forgot." At least there was this attempt at North Tarrant and Riverside.

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            • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

              Each time I see cycleways & paths still treacherous hours after the roads have been cleared, I recall this 99% Invisible episode.

              "In Sweden, the council reversed its approach and plowed side-roads & paths first. It had a huge impact, reducing number of people admitted to emergency centres, particularly women. It had an economic impact from lower healthcare costs. Driving through a few inches was less dangerous than walking through snow, particularly if pushing a pram."

              Link Preview Image
              Invisible Women - 99% Invisible

              Snow plowing patterns seem an unlikely subject of a gender study conducted in a small town in Sweden. After all, the town’s approach appeared logical and neutral enough on the surface: plow major roads first, particularly those leading into and out of town, followed by smaller local streets. It is the same sequence played out

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              99% Invisible (99percentinvisible.org)

              monstreline@ottawa.placeM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @CiaraNi I love the stories that 99% Invisible finds! I haven’t listened to this one so thank you for sharing!

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              • enema_cowboy@dotnet.socialE enema_cowboy@dotnet.social

                @CiaraNi

                My motto for my city is "Fort Worth, the town that sidewalks forgot." At least there was this attempt at North Tarrant and Riverside.

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                @Enema_Cowboy @CiaraNi It's taken my city, Round Rock, TX, a while to get with the idea that we should have sidewalks. It was dismaying to see new developments without sidewalks, but that seems to be a thing of the past.

                I often think of the book "Where the Sidewalk Ends" when I encounter a sidewalk that just, well, ends!

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                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                  Each time I see cycleways & paths still treacherous hours after the roads have been cleared, I recall this 99% Invisible episode.

                  "In Sweden, the council reversed its approach and plowed side-roads & paths first. It had a huge impact, reducing number of people admitted to emergency centres, particularly women. It had an economic impact from lower healthcare costs. Driving through a few inches was less dangerous than walking through snow, particularly if pushing a pram."

                  Link Preview Image
                  Invisible Women - 99% Invisible

                  Snow plowing patterns seem an unlikely subject of a gender study conducted in a small town in Sweden. After all, the town’s approach appeared logical and neutral enough on the surface: plow major roads first, particularly those leading into and out of town, followed by smaller local streets. It is the same sequence played out

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                  99% Invisible (99percentinvisible.org)

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                  @CiaraNi that chapter of the book is what I think about every time this happens, as well. Today was a rare occasion of me taking the bus, and I had to traverse one of the dumbest results of the pedestrian areas not being prioritized: the forever icebergs that form when they just throw sand and gravel on the problem, rather than just scrape the snow right away. I refuse to believe that's even resource saving over a winter season, as they have to come back and throw more gravel on it regularly.

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                  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                    Two-tier society

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                    @CiaraNi Car-centric thinking. It's dumb and annoying.

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                    • holsta@mastodon.artH holsta@mastodon.art

                      @CiaraNi I was just thinking this today when a road in my small village had been cleared by piling 20 cm snow onto the pavement.

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                      @holsta Yes! Good point. This bothers me too. It feels so dismissive and rude, even — literally shovelling a problem away from drivers in their metal shields and onto exposed, unprotected cyclists and pedestrians. This photo is from a previous snowfall, but the same problem is everywhere in Aarhus too today. I saw people with mobility aids struggling to clamber over slippery mounds of cleared road snow that block the kerb cuts at pedestrians crossings.

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                      • monstreline@ottawa.placeM monstreline@ottawa.place

                        @CiaraNi I love the stories that 99% Invisible finds! I haven’t listened to this one so thank you for sharing!

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                        @monstreline Me too. It's a brilliant podcast. Always fascinating stories, so well told.

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                        • eivind@fribygda.noE eivind@fribygda.no

                          @CiaraNi that chapter of the book is what I think about every time this happens, as well. Today was a rare occasion of me taking the bus, and I had to traverse one of the dumbest results of the pedestrian areas not being prioritized: the forever icebergs that form when they just throw sand and gravel on the problem, rather than just scrape the snow right away. I refuse to believe that's even resource saving over a winter season, as they have to come back and throw more gravel on it regularly.

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                          @eivind The 'forever icebergs' — that's a great phrase for them. Takk, den låner jeg. Yes, great point. This a self-defeating problem.

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                          • randamumaki@mstdn.socialR randamumaki@mstdn.social

                            @CiaraNi Car-centric thinking. It's dumb and annoying.

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                            @RandamuMaki It is. It's a resilient problem. We are lucky that our city is not generally car-centric, with bikes and pedestrians often given right-of-way over cars and with people-centred infrastructure. But for some reason, the exception is during snow. It can takes days before the paths are cleared, even in the busy city centre.

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                            • enema_cowboy@dotnet.socialE enema_cowboy@dotnet.social

                              @CiaraNi

                              My motto for my city is "Fort Worth, the town that sidewalks forgot." At least there was this attempt at North Tarrant and Riverside.

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                              @Enema_Cowboy Oh my. I thought at first that this was a poorly designed path that took a weird winding route with an unseen bit around a bend. Then I read your Alt Text (thanks) and understood it is two unconnected 'paths' that just ... stop. A 'stroad' - what a word, what a concept! Thanks for sharing this.

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                              • davemq@fosstodon.orgD davemq@fosstodon.org

                                @Enema_Cowboy @CiaraNi It's taken my city, Round Rock, TX, a while to get with the idea that we should have sidewalks. It was dismaying to see new developments without sidewalks, but that seems to be a thing of the past.

                                I often think of the book "Where the Sidewalk Ends" when I encounter a sidewalk that just, well, ends!

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                                @davemq @Enema_Cowboy Am glad to hear that the phenomenon of residential areas being built without paths seems to be dying out. I hope those peculiar paths that just 'stop' get replaced in the future by proper integrated pedestrian infrastructure.

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                                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                  Two-tier society

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                                  @CiaraNi You do mean 3 tier don’t you? Look at the path for walkers.

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                                  • S savera@mastodon.sdf.org

                                    @CiaraNi You do mean 3 tier don’t you? Look at the path for walkers.

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                                    @savera Two-tier. Snow cleared for motor vehicles. Snow not cleared for cyclists and pedestrians, i.e. everyone else.

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                                    • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                      @Enema_Cowboy Oh my. I thought at first that this was a poorly designed path that took a weird winding route with an unseen bit around a bend. Then I read your Alt Text (thanks) and understood it is two unconnected 'paths' that just ... stop. A 'stroad' - what a word, what a concept! Thanks for sharing this.

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                                      @CiaraNi @Enema_Cowboy The real punchline is that it is, despite discontinuity, in fact an improvement vs. many non-pathed roads in the area. The mayor for many years was a cyclist and did push for bike paths and infrastructure such that it’s … better than it would have been otherwise … certainly better than you’d expect given other policy decisions by the same administrations, but still leaves a lot to be desired.

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                                      • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                                        Each time I see cycleways & paths still treacherous hours after the roads have been cleared, I recall this 99% Invisible episode.

                                        "In Sweden, the council reversed its approach and plowed side-roads & paths first. It had a huge impact, reducing number of people admitted to emergency centres, particularly women. It had an economic impact from lower healthcare costs. Driving through a few inches was less dangerous than walking through snow, particularly if pushing a pram."

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Invisible Women - 99% Invisible

                                        Snow plowing patterns seem an unlikely subject of a gender study conducted in a small town in Sweden. After all, the town’s approach appeared logical and neutral enough on the surface: plow major roads first, particularly those leading into and out of town, followed by smaller local streets. It is the same sequence played out

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                                        @CiaraNi another consequence of poorly-cleared sidewalks is that pedestrians sometimes walk in the street, which is even more dangerous. Here in #RochesterNY it seems to have become a habit that spills over into non-snowy seasons as well.

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                                          Åh! From MY old Hood! 💚🤗
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