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The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems.

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  • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

    @tante and also, the whole power dynamic of shifting home/personal computing back to a mainframe that you need to buy time on. what has already happened with a lot of software moving to a "rent, but never own" model

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    @patrick_h_lauke @tante Interesting vid posted yesterday by Rick Beato https://youtu.be/YTLnnoZPALI?si=9DOCmiCwURXovAR6

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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      @tante Cool, cool. So, when are they going to ship this supposed intelligence? 🙃

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

        The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

        It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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        #7

        @tante Christ…

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

          The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

          It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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          #8

          @tante

          It's extra funny because his technology is garbage and is not capable, in any form, of replacing or even augmenting human intelligence.

          Any database in which 20% of the data is wrong, but you don't know which 20%, is a database in which 100% of the data is useless.

          He can dream shit like this up as much as he wants, but it's not going to happen.

          No matter how much the Bosses shovel LLMs down our throats, they're never going to not be garbage.

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

            The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

            It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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            #9

            @tante not to mention the “if it’s 80% of the way there it’s good enough to ship” logic that a lot of companies are using to justify mass firing employees. Substituting human logic for half-right generated nonsense.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

              The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

              It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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              @tante @cwebber I’d state it needs intelligence to distinguish intelligence from experience, knowledge and pattern recognition. I don’t know what this says about Sam Altman 😇

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                #11

                @tante yes. And whoever believes the usage will remain cheap is just naive at this point.

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                  The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                  It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                  #12

                  @tante Yep... and it's been obvious for many, but sadly not nearly enough.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                    The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                    It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                    #13

                    @tante @wilbowma @cwebber god dammit this is so fucking bleak

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                      #14

                      @tante but who is going to buy it when everyone's broke?

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                        The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                        It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                        #15

                        @tante Only the shit they'll sell back to you will be worse because LLMs are inferior to their inputs...

                        ...and nobody using it will know enough to see that.

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          @tante Spot-on!

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                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@nixCraft/116209449941602124

                          @cwebber @tante yesterday @nixCraft was more on spot than I thought

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                            The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                            It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                            @tante

                            Koch Network kept Uber & Lyfft afloat for a decade to thwart public transportation projects.
                            https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html

                            Just a moment...

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                            To thwart a fossil fuel phase out, Koch Network is again lending its financial support to something unsustainable, polluting, & undemocratic.

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                            Right-wing political group Americans for Prosperity, backed by oil and gas billionaire Charles Koch, sees data centers as part of a larger pro-fossil fuel agenda.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                              The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                              It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                              @tante @frank

                              https://dn710709.ca.archive.org/0/items/TheFeelingOfPower/The%20Feeling%20of%20Power.pdf
                              - Isaac Asimov, 1958

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                @tante

                                #SamAltman, #AlexKarp, #PeterThiel #MarkZuckerberg, etc MUST BE STOPPED!!!

                                #Tech #BugRech #BillionairesSUCK ##TechBillionairesSUCK #Grift #Capitalism

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                  The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                  It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                  @tante

                                  Not just "AI". I can't believe people rush to subscribe to taps where techbros siphon our money.

                                  You want to call people? There's a subscription for that. You want to listen to music/watch movies? There's a subscription for that. You want to have a door camera? There's a subscription for that. You want to make dinner? There's a subscription for that. You want to edit documents? There's a subscription for that. You want to learn a language? There's a subscription for that.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                    The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                    It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                    @tante

                                    Clarifications to billionaires:
                                    Water and electricity are not services, they are HUMAN RIGHTS. Without those two things, people go back to middle age and/or die.

                                    The so-called "artificial intelligence" has NOTHING intelligent about it. Comparing a computer program to the human brain is a marketing and propaganda operation.

                                    Rich people think Human Rights are just "services" they can cut off if you dont pay.
                                    Sadly, they convinced many people that that is true.

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                      The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                      It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                      @tante also not to mention breaking access to information

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                        The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                        It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                        @tante I have a dream, AI can help us and can be helpful tool, but needs to be in hands of people not corporations. imagine something like distributed LLM running some federated way, allowing parcitipants to prompt for exchange of some small portion of compute time of their machine. Trained the same way. Project seti[at]home can be inspiration. And yep I know I have declare now myself as enemy of state and fediverse, but I truly believe this shall be way. We can eradicate AI datacenters, distribute energy usage cross world, save water and destroy that technobross seizure of our future.

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          RE: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116217477822586442

                                          The whole "AI" industry is just based on the hope that they can deskill people fast enough that they'll have to rent back cognitive support systems. Forever.

                                          It's like Uber. Just that they don't try to break existing transportation infrastructures but your brain.

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                                          @tante it's already annoying my dad is hyping chatgpt like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

                                          Like he's raving about cognitive decline. That's not what I want for myself.
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