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I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

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  • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP This user is from outside of this forum
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    I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

    aheartoffire1996@friendica.rogueproject.orgA hopeless@mas.toH uriel@x.keinpfusch.netU frieke72@mastodon.socialF ntropic@chaos.socialN 12 Replies Last reply
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    • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

      I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

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      @Possiblydrew
      Bro technology is just making everybody stupider myself included to be fair
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      • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

        I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

        hopeless@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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        @Possiblydrew Have you actually tried the current Coding assist AIs?

        Because if you had, you would be surprised they are not "random word generators" but actually very useful.

        You can try https://antigravity.google for free on your own code on your own machine (Linux is fine) and ask it to do your own choice of tasks.

        If you want to come back and tell me you found rand() in an overcoat, well, OK. But I think you will be very surprised.

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        • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

          I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

          uriel@x.keinpfusch.netU This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Possiblydrew Attourneys are upset now.

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          • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

            I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

            frieke72@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Possiblydrew technically.... Not socially competent?

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            • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

              I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

              ntropic@chaos.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Possiblydrew Do it the old way, use a search engine to open an AI generated SEO optimized sloppage instead!

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              • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

                I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                @Possiblydrew People I had known to be very clever have fallen to these. I have a pet hypothesis that there's a factor unrelated to general intelligence that makes some people more susceptible to these than others, like gambling addictions.

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                • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

                  I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                  luboganev@androiddev.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Possiblydrew stupidity and competency are technically different 😄

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                  • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

                    I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

                    richpuchalsky@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @Possiblydrew

                    Engineers never had a good grasp on what technology actually did: they're mostly formula followers

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                    • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                      @Possiblydrew Have you actually tried the current Coding assist AIs?

                      Because if you had, you would be surprised they are not "random word generators" but actually very useful.

                      You can try https://antigravity.google for free on your own code on your own machine (Linux is fine) and ask it to do your own choice of tasks.

                      If you want to come back and tell me you found rand() in an overcoat, well, OK. But I think you will be very surprised.

                      hastar@mastodon.nuH This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @hopeless @Possiblydrew So which of your favorite LLM tools are deterministic?

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                      • hastar@mastodon.nuH hastar@mastodon.nu

                        @hopeless @Possiblydrew So which of your favorite LLM tools are deterministic?

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                        @hastar @Possiblydrew

                        The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                        It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                        You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

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                        • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                          @hastar @Possiblydrew

                          The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                          It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                          You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

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                          @hopeless wow there’s so much to unpack here.

                          Random + weights + other stuff is still ✨random ✨.

                          Random + seed sure is deterministic but how often do you the user set the seed? Why is the answer to an objective query subject to a probabilistic state?

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                          • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

                            I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

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                            @Possiblydrew if they're doing that, then they most definitely are not technically competent in any way whatsoever.

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                            • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

                              I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

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                              @Possiblydrew Apropos of nothing, taxes are due tomorrow.

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                              • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

                                I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

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                                @Possiblydrew

                                Ok, but also there's this: https://www.harvey.ai/ but I don't think they license to individuals

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                                • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                                  @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                  The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                                  It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                                  You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

                                  barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @hopeless @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                  they are choosing what they want to talk about

                                  Wow, what a coincidence. I was just talking to /dev/urandom and it chose to talk about "bizz".

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                                  • barubary@infosec.exchangeB barubary@infosec.exchange

                                    @hopeless @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                    they are choosing what they want to talk about

                                    Wow, what a coincidence. I was just talking to /dev/urandom and it chose to talk about "bizz".

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                                    @barubary @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                    You're so clever!

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                                    • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                                      @hastar @Possiblydrew

                                      The LLMs are actually deterministic themselves; you can give them the same PRNG seed and get the same result.

                                      It's wrong to say that they are "random word generators" like there is a dictionary and a random index into the dictionary is chosen... they are choosing what they want to talk about based on the weights they arrived at.

                                      You too will not recite what you want to say verbatim each time, but through your internal state decide how to express yourself.

                                      ariaflame@masto.aiA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @hopeless @hastar @Possiblydrew They aren't sentient, they are not 'choosing' anything. They're just picking at random from weighted options. They don't know anything. If the training set was good for what specifically you wanted to do you might be lucky. Otherwise you could be totally fucked and not know it until a lot later when something breaks/lets someone into your system.

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                                      • possiblydrew@pnw.zoneP possiblydrew@pnw.zone

                                        I am baffled that, in the year 2026, I am telling technically competent engineers to not solicit nor take legal advice from a random word generator

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                                        @Possiblydrew indoctrinating engineers and engineering types with goofy shit is like shooting fish in a barrel. on average they think they're smarter than they are, at least in part because so much education rewards rationalizing over anything else

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