so like.
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@eniko Yes but it also just makes me want to organize and find ways to fix things. It angers me and kind of urges me on to try harder to organize with those who are willing to fight this stuff as a team. Do you know May First Movement Technology?
@resl I don't. Whats that?
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@eniko But they have to do it in the open, not in a secret trade deal like before.
@deshipu @eniko I dunno if "this was officially approved by all institutions so it is perfectly legal in the current system" makes me feel better than "this is shady af and might actually be overturned some day". Yes, the courts may overturn it here but then they will try again next year. They do this for 20 years now with data retention and it makes you feel, well, not good.
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so like. does all the age verification bs make anyone else feel depressed? cause it makes me feel depressed. it makes me want to withdraw from the online world and computing altogether, to be honest, even though i can't actually afford to do that
where I live is working on a bill rn and in the process of finding its current text, I found a couple of its drafts. You can literally watch it get stricter, less privacy preserving, and require more retention of data from draft to draft. It sucks so hard
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@LezLiz for me the problem is that they then can define what needs age verification, as you can already see in the UK: information about contraceptives, sexual assault, sexuality and gender identity, sorry teenager. You need to be a certain age to get information about those. No you can't join a community that would explain these things to you, you're too young. You have to ask your conservative parents about those things first, they'll probably take you to church for it.
@leberschnitzel Yeah, that is still a concern, even though I'd be angry to the government about that, not age verification.
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so like. does all the age verification bs make anyone else feel depressed? cause it makes me feel depressed. it makes me want to withdraw from the online world and computing altogether, to be honest, even though i can't actually afford to do that
@eniko If it comes down to it, I guess I'll be kicked off the web, or maybe even entire OSs if I live somewhere that implements that kind of policy.
Said I would never use Web DRM when that happened and I kept my word to this day. Never once used it all those years, so I'm already kicked off the sites that require it (Netflix, Spotify, etc).
But I'm still hopeful that even if the web is closed down, something else will take its place for me, perhaps even something that doesn't exist yet.
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so like. does all the age verification bs make anyone else feel depressed? cause it makes me feel depressed. it makes me want to withdraw from the online world and computing altogether, to be honest, even though i can't actually afford to do that
@eniko You and me both, Eniko.
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so like. does all the age verification bs make anyone else feel depressed? cause it makes me feel depressed. it makes me want to withdraw from the online world and computing altogether, to be honest, even though i can't actually afford to do that
thus far i've held off on switching to linux as a daily driver because i *really* don't wanna lose access to visual studio community edition, but if it's between visual studio and OS based age verification i will absolutely switch
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thus far i've held off on switching to linux as a daily driver because i *really* don't wanna lose access to visual studio community edition, but if it's between visual studio and OS based age verification i will absolutely switch
@eniko wasn't Linux already implementing it too?
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@eniko wasn't Linux already implementing it too?
@deshipu some stuff is but i'm sure there will be a flavor or hack of linux that refuses to comply
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@deshipu some stuff is but i'm sure there will be a flavor or hack of linux that refuses to comply
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thus far i've held off on switching to linux as a daily driver because i *really* don't wanna lose access to visual studio community edition, but if it's between visual studio and OS based age verification i will absolutely switch
@eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place yeah, the more I look at what I do with computers, the more I complain of the fact that I can't find anything to replace VS. It's usually not even close, even with some of its feature actively getting worse over the past couple of years. -
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thus far i've held off on switching to linux as a daily driver because i *really* don't wanna lose access to visual studio community edition, but if it's between visual studio and OS based age verification i will absolutely switch
@eniko i've seen news that a lot of linux distros said they'll implement age verification to comply with laws. some flipped those laws off though
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@eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place yeah, the more I look at what I do with computers, the more I complain of the fact that I can't find anything to replace VS. It's usually not even close, even with some of its feature actively getting worse over the past couple of years.
@bovaz maybe a windows VM running on linux?
but then the performance would probably be shit
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@eniko i've seen news that a lot of linux distros said they'll implement age verification to comply with laws. some flipped those laws off though
@0x0961h i mean it's an open source OS so i'm sure there'd be ways around it
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@bovaz maybe a windows VM running on linux?
but then the performance would probably be shit
@eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place what I used to have at work was a remote azure instance running Windows, where I had VS and all the development stuff. Then they decided they'd rather replace dev laptops more frequently, so we are back to having everything on our machines. -
@0x0961h i mean it's an open source OS so i'm sure there'd be ways around it
@eniko Oh definitely. From what I see "verification" in Linux so far is just "how old are you" "i'm 40000 years old" "thank you, enjoy your system"
Plus you can always download pre-ageverif ISO of a system
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@eniko Oh definitely. From what I see "verification" in Linux so far is just "how old are you" "i'm 40000 years old" "thank you, enjoy your system"
Plus you can always download pre-ageverif ISO of a system
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@deshipu except EU is going all in on age verification as well
@eniko @deshipu The EU system... I have mixed feelings about. I know a few of the researchers who contributed to the working group papers, and they're good people, concerned and even activists about privacy. (Bart Jacobs in the Netherlands is fucking awesome.)
There was an argument around 2022 "We should get an open source EU-wide privacy-protecting ID system and quick, because Apple and Google are sure as fuck going to do their own and if we don't, those will become the de facto standards."
At least in the early design it was supposed to preserve privacy as much as possible. Like, you can make it give a zero-knowledge proof of the boolean "Is this person over 18? Yes or no." without revealing any more information (Name, date of birth, age in years, etc.) The user can know what information the service is getting from it.
And it's open source so everyone can check that the software does indeed preserve privacy the way it should.
At least those were the design criteria going in. I need to check if they became realised.
I don't know, maybe I'm being naive, but overall, I'm glad the EU did this. They're the only Thing who could be big enough and willing enough to make sure a solution like this exists and enough services in the EU offer it as an option alongside just Apple, Google and Palantir that I can hopefully get away without one of the evil companies getting my ID.
And yeah, depressing that it came to this, but given the options in the world atm, I'm glad I'm living in the EU right now.
