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  • D daniel_blake@mastodon.top

    @jenniferplusplus

    I think that being liable for the mistakes an AI that you use is only fair... They who live by the sword etc.

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    #34

    @Daniel_Blake @jenniferplusplus The problems start if you aren't using the AI because you want to, but because you got ordered to use it.

    Cory Doctorow has written a lot about what he calls Reverse Centaurs - persons having to work for a machine instead of persons using a machine. For instance:
    https://pluralistic.net/2025/12/05/pop-that-bubble/#u-washington

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    • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

      "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

      I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

      You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

      What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

      Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
      https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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      • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

        "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

        I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

        You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

        What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

        Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
        https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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        #36

        @jenniferplusplus i agree, but I also think that LLMs being unreliable is part of the business model, if it gave acceptable answers first time you'd only ask one question, if it messes up slightly you type more stuff, you rephrase the prompt or rewrite the spec, all of which are more tokens that your org will actually pay for. its like builtin #enshittification from the start.

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        • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

          "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

          I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

          You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

          What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

          Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
          https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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          #37

          @jenniferplusplus AI appears to "learn from its mistakes" and amplify them...

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          • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

            "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

            I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

            You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

            What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

            Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
            https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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            #38

            @jenniferplusplus
            AI is a nifty tool, but blindly trusting its output is foolish. AI should not be treated as an unquestionable authority, which I've personally see happen in the workplace. The novelty of AI makes it enjoyable for now, yet companies rushing to replace human experience and expertise with AI will soon see quality erode and trust vanish altogether. When that happens these companies will learn that once quality and trust are lost, winning them back is far harder than maintaining them.

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            • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

              "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

              I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

              You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

              What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

              Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
              https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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              #39

              @jenniferplusplus ai is the intern on seven tabs of acid. He can no longer tell the difference between truth and fiction, and this will lead to lots of mistakes, most of which will lead to you staring at your monitor in confusion.
              You must at a minimum verify the work, make sure it corresponds to reality, and get ready to wtf.

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              • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                #40

                @jenniferplusplus Note well: whether “you” are actually liable for the errors made in the output produce by AI in response to your prompting depends entirely on whether “you” are someone privileged with impunity for your own errors in judgment or you instead are someone accountable for forced errors outside your own control.

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                • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                  @kerravonsen hey just to be clear, you're doing it right now. You're saying the computer is permitted to be wrong. The consequences will land on whoever was able to avoid them, and they will deserve it for not getting out of the way

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                  #41

                  @jenniferplusplus I am quite confused as to how you concluded that I said that, when I've been pointing out that it is human error

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                  • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                    "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                    I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                    You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                    What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                    Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                    https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                    #42

                    @jenniferplusplus

                    LLMs do not make mistakes on their own, you make mistakes using them

                    > "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                    > I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it.

                    Why? It is good advice and important when using LLMs.

                    I use LLMs every day in my coding practice, and they do make errors (thank you compiler)

                    LLMs are a tool, and must be wielded. When you use them you are responsible for the results

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                    • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                      "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                      I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                      You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                      What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                      Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                      https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                      #43

                      @jenniferplusplus There's a misunderstanding, an "AI can" is like a "worms can", that's the subject. Now it all makes sense.

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                      • kerravonsen@mastodon.auK kerravonsen@mastodon.au

                        @emily_s @jenniferplusplus
                        As a computer programmer, yes. There is no such thing as a computer error. It is one or more of:
                        * programmer error
                        * documentation error
                        * user error (with a side-order of either documentation error or "user didn't bother to read the documentation")

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                        @kerravonsen @emily_s @jenniferplusplus or a gamma ray and bit flip. But that should probably be caught.

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                        • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                          @kerravonsen hey just to be clear, you're doing it right now. You're saying the computer is permitted to be wrong. The consequences will land on whoever was able to avoid them, and they will deserve it for not getting out of the way

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                          @jenniferplusplus The computer is wrongly permitted to be wrong. I thought I was agreeing with you.

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                          • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                            "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                            I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                            You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                            What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                            Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                            https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                            @jenniferplusplus

                            AI *WILL* make mistakes. Do not use.

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                            • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                              "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                              I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                              You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                              What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                              Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                              https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                              #47

                              @jenniferplusplus
                              They want us to pay for a service they won't stand behind. That should tell you everything you need to know.

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                              • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                                @Crystal_Fish_Caves @jenniferplusplus

                                This does remind me of this fucking weirdness when buying a house:

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                                A lot of the US does not have the government keep track of who owns what land so when you buy a place, you need to also buy insurance that says that you are actually buying it from someone able to sell it.

                                As far as I can tell every other country just has a department that you can ask "hey is this the owner" and trust the answer.

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                                @gbargoud @Crystal_Fish_Caves @jenniferplusplus if the American insurance industry can find a way to require insurance for something, they will

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                                • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                                  "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                                  I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                                  You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                                  What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                                  Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                                  https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                                  @jenniferplusplus fr fr

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                                  • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

                                    "AI can make mistakes, always check the results"

                                    I fucking loathe this phrase and everything that goes into it. It's not advice. It's a threat.

                                    You probably read it as "AI is _capable_ of making mistakes; you _should_ check the results".

                                    What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                                    Except "you" is generally not even the person building, installing, or even using the AI. It's the person the AI is used on:
                                    https://thepit.social/@peter/116205452673914720

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                                    @jenniferplusplus

                                    "What it actually says is "AI is _permitted_ to make mistakes; _you are liable_ for the results, whether you check them or not".

                                    Agreed... but also.. this is by design

                                    "They" are intentionally designing a system that will (both intentionally & negligently) be used to inflict harms.. while also removing any "accountability" for the harms they inflict

                                    A normal reasonable person sees that old slide deck from IBM about how:
                                    "computers cannot be trusted to make decisions because computers can never be held accountable" as a dystopian warning

                                    Tech Bros see it as:
                                    "an opportunity to profit from 'Creating the Torment Nexus' while insulating themselves from any consequences for their own actions"

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