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  3. sometimes I wish people put a little bit more thought in their stances on things.

sometimes I wish people put a little bit more thought in their stances on things.

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  • anthropy@mastodon.derg.nzA This user is from outside of this forum
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    sometimes I wish people put a little bit more thought in their stances on things.

    it seems entirely normalized these days to hate abstract things, technologies, or logical consequences of their own desires they simultaneously refuse to find other solutions for.

    People hate fatbikes/ML/whatevertopicdujour instead of the bad people abusing them.

    People want places to live / more websites / gasoline cars but will protest new residential areas or highrise / datacenters / oil operations.

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    • anthropy@mastodon.derg.nzA anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz

      sometimes I wish people put a little bit more thought in their stances on things.

      it seems entirely normalized these days to hate abstract things, technologies, or logical consequences of their own desires they simultaneously refuse to find other solutions for.

      People hate fatbikes/ML/whatevertopicdujour instead of the bad people abusing them.

      People want places to live / more websites / gasoline cars but will protest new residential areas or highrise / datacenters / oil operations.

      anthropy@mastodon.derg.nzA This user is from outside of this forum
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      and I totally get why people hate the things in their face instead of whatever drives those things. I'm not saying you can't vent or whatever.

      But few seem to actually make any attempt to go beyond the superficial hate, and there doesn't seem to be any discourse about how superficial and useless this kind of unidirectional hate is.

      Nobody wants to solve problems, everyone just seems to be entitled to whatever they want to do or have without trying to get there sustainably. It's sad.

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      • anthropy@mastodon.derg.nzA anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz

        sometimes I wish people put a little bit more thought in their stances on things.

        it seems entirely normalized these days to hate abstract things, technologies, or logical consequences of their own desires they simultaneously refuse to find other solutions for.

        People hate fatbikes/ML/whatevertopicdujour instead of the bad people abusing them.

        People want places to live / more websites / gasoline cars but will protest new residential areas or highrise / datacenters / oil operations.

        konstruct@woof.techK This user is from outside of this forum
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        @anthropy I suppose nowadays, with the fast flow of information, people are almost Taught to not anaylise further, and instead get their attention grabbed by the next big thing, the next dopamine hit, etc. It's not really their fault if they're taught, it's the profit incentive of the advertising industry coming from these addictive services, social media especially.

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        • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

          @anthropy I suppose nowadays, with the fast flow of information, people are almost Taught to not anaylise further, and instead get their attention grabbed by the next big thing, the next dopamine hit, etc. It's not really their fault if they're taught, it's the profit incentive of the advertising industry coming from these addictive services, social media especially.

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          @konstruct I mean, I agree with the 'fast flow of information part' but I personally would still prefer to try and nudge people towards thinking about things more before having an opinion

          I'd rather people have less but more high quality opinions, instead of bulk-rejecting everything. I feel there's a real danger of becoming a bunch of conservatives that hate any form of progress or change while refusing to look into things, which is sad, even if I usually get why people are angry

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          • anthropy@mastodon.derg.nzA anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz

            @konstruct I mean, I agree with the 'fast flow of information part' but I personally would still prefer to try and nudge people towards thinking about things more before having an opinion

            I'd rather people have less but more high quality opinions, instead of bulk-rejecting everything. I feel there's a real danger of becoming a bunch of conservatives that hate any form of progress or change while refusing to look into things, which is sad, even if I usually get why people are angry

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            @anthropy

            @konstruct

            See that's the issue, everyone is conditioned to believe you have to care about everything going on online. If it makes a headline, or someone you follow post about it, you now have to care.
            I believe that's why people that can't name 5 different trees outside their house are calling themselves naturalist and are suddenly experts on water quality.
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              @konstruct

              See that's the issue, everyone is conditioned to believe you have to care about everything going on online. If it makes a headline, or someone you follow post about it, you now have to care.
              I believe that's why people that can't name 5 different trees outside their house are calling themselves naturalist and are suddenly experts on water quality.
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              @distant_echoes @anthropy I'm all for trying to help, but only if it's something you can healthily manage and be effective at, otherwise it's a waste of your time and wellbeing.

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              • anthropy@mastodon.derg.nzA anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz

                and I totally get why people hate the things in their face instead of whatever drives those things. I'm not saying you can't vent or whatever.

                But few seem to actually make any attempt to go beyond the superficial hate, and there doesn't seem to be any discourse about how superficial and useless this kind of unidirectional hate is.

                Nobody wants to solve problems, everyone just seems to be entitled to whatever they want to do or have without trying to get there sustainably. It's sad.

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                Ironic to say perhaps, but I unironically wish people would have less opinions. You don't have to have a take on everything.

                It's better to have fewer good opinions than more slop takes.

                I think there's a real danger of otherwise left and openminded communities becoming angry conservative anti-everythings through this path, as much as I also understand and don't really blame people for doing unnuanced venting on subjects. I just wish people did more than just venting.

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