With all the tiktok drama I have been telling people Mastodon is still here and kicking!!
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@deborahh @taylorlorenz @ElbowsUpforDigitalSovereignty
As a Geek and Admin, I approve this message.
@smattymatty
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@bitpickup @andyinabox @taylorlorenz Yeah, it did:
"The fact that influencer like you refuse to setup their own instances."
@OrionKidder
No it didn't:
"Provokative wording creates engagement with the content."Also @taylorlorenz isn't someone new like to say "from the start".
The argument as from the get go is about how to:
> courting new users
> improve the product
> grow the user base -
@IveyJanette @bitpickup @NickGates @futurebird @taylorlorenz I think I need to get off soon if it's true that they welcomed ICE and Trump. That said, I'm hearing that that might have been faked, so I have to look into it more closely.
@OrionKidder @bitpickup @NickGates @futurebird @taylorlorenz In any event,I've blocked them.
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@aysc This post is sent to the complete Fediverse, shoiuld I write "stay out of the fediverse"? No, I see a great fortune in the fediverse, and that you can convince a lot of people to come here by shownig them the oportunitys. People understand that it is not another app, but a complete real network. It is a possibility to show people that are not loocking for a X replacement, that there is peertube and pixelfeed and friendica. Why do you want to keep your network mastodon only?
@sven222 Nothing was said about the Fediverse in the original post. Again, stay out of the conversation, and don’t try to insert yourself into ones that don’t apply to you.
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There are thousands of recent new users here in the Fediverse.
The problem isn't an app.
The problem is not an app.
The problem is no body is talking to them.
The actual social part of social media.
@print What are you talking about?
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@OrionKidder
No it didn't:
"Provokative wording creates engagement with the content."Also @taylorlorenz isn't someone new like to say "from the start".
The argument as from the get go is about how to:
> courting new users
> improve the product
> grow the user base@bitpickup @taylorlorenz @andyinabox All done. You're trolling.
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@OrionKidder @bitpickup @NickGates @futurebird @taylorlorenz In any event,I've blocked them.
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@OrionKidder
No it didn't:
"Provokative wording creates engagement with the content."Also @taylorlorenz isn't someone new like to say "from the start".
The argument as from the get go is about how to:
> courting new users
> improve the product
> grow the user base@OrionKidder
> All done. You're trolling.Heartbreaking to see how easy full grown ups shy away from simple conversations.
“Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking.”
John Maynard Keynes
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And yet folks spend inordinate amounts of time and effort on SEO and complex strategies to spoof the algorithms to promote their content.
@mastodonmigration @taylorlorenz algorithms are w new god...
and no one knows the paths of god [or somehow similar]
Google earns money from ads - but algorithms stay hidden - so that's sort of play where only one player knows the rules. Funny - but truth. -
And yet folks spend inordinate amounts of time and effort on SEO and complex strategies to spoof the algorithms to promote their content.
@mastodonmigration @taylorlorenz I visit the pages. No FB.
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@sven222 Nothing was said about the Fediverse in the original post. Again, stay out of the conversation, and don’t try to insert yourself into ones that don’t apply to you.
@aysc Yes sir! Mister officer, I will do like you told me! You know, that is the point where I'm thinking if you realy belive in what you say, or if you are just looking for some kind of argument? But I don't care, I just finish with an old word from the usenet: PLONK -
@taylorlorenz I'm finding it hard to understand how it all works. I just fumble around hoping I'm not doing something disastrous.
@Rick_d_card Hey dear 🥰
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@OrionKidder
> All done. You're trolling.Heartbreaking to see how easy full grown ups shy away from simple conversations.
“Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking.”
John Maynard Keynes 1. @bitpickup I originally thought your statement applied to influencers new to the fediverse (migrating from another platform), but it seems like you specifically meant established fediverse influencers
2. Much of what I wrote still applies to the position that established fedi influencers are obligated to run their own instances
3. If you're not trolling it certainly comes off that way, so you might want to pay more attention to the tone of your posts
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With all the tiktok drama I have been telling people Mastodon is still here and kicking!! I love this app and I really think the decentralized model is the best for social media.
Still, people don’t want to join! What do you think Mastodon’s biggest barriers are to courting new users? What could be done to improve the product and grow the user base in a positive way?
@taylorlorenz I think the biggest problem is lack of a good marketing budget.
Ideally you would have some folks behind Mastodon doing a bit of a Press tour. When I think back to why I joined Twitter in 2011, the likes of Stephen Colbert, John Stewart, etc played a big role. I don't know if this happens much now? I don't really hear a lot about the Fediverse outside of the Fediverse. -
With all the tiktok drama I have been telling people Mastodon is still here and kicking!! I love this app and I really think the decentralized model is the best for social media.
Still, people don’t want to join! What do you think Mastodon’s biggest barriers are to courting new users? What could be done to improve the product and grow the user base in a positive way?
@taylorlorenz imho the traditional media are obstructing it : in Belgium, the journalists I talked to (national) are just ignoring it still saying "there is no alternative from EU", they don't want to dive into it, understand the fediverse concept, or just dismissing it bc "there is nobody there".
They don't understand it's a self fulfilling prophecy they make
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@aysc Yes sir! Mister officer, I will do like you told me! You know, that is the point where I'm thinking if you realy belive in what you say, or if you are just looking for some kind of argument? But I don't care, I just finish with an old word from the usenet: PLONK
@sven222 lol, was für eine Arschgeige...
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@taylorlorenz imho the traditional media are obstructing it : in Belgium, the journalists I talked to (national) are just ignoring it still saying "there is no alternative from EU", they don't want to dive into it, understand the fediverse concept, or just dismissing it bc "there is nobody there".
They don't understand it's a self fulfilling prophecy they make@olm_e @taylorlorenz Not all journalists.
Here is @euractiv 's @zarasophos telling EU politicians to start using the EU social media alternative the EU has been financing for a decade:(He just forgot to mention we have quote posts now AND an edit button.)
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1. @bitpickup I originally thought your statement applied to influencers new to the fediverse (migrating from another platform), but it seems like you specifically meant established fediverse influencers
2. Much of what I wrote still applies to the position that established fedi influencers are obligated to run their own instances
3. If you're not trolling it certainly comes off that way, so you might want to pay more attention to the tone of your posts
@andyinabox
The statement was specifically about @taylorlorenz, as she is out here for quite a while now and a respected journalist in the IT space, went independent time ago, and finances herself by subscriber support. She is the ideal kind of "influencer" to promote the fedi and at the same time to test and prove that with an established modest fixed support for servers, a different kind of social web is possible. The German mastodon instance digital.courage for example decided to expect a fixed "profile fee" of 1 Euro per month, payable once a year, as accounting every month would be to much work.It is obvious that setting up and maintaining a well moderated instance for users in the fediVerse comes with work and expenses. That's what my comment(s) started to begin with, by mentioning exclusivity and the bottleneck of moderation. I have no doubt that small communities can self moderate.
The experience itself would even fit into Mrs. Lorenz realm of expertise and actually give room for content creation, articles and books.I'm writing this comment from a self hosted friendica instance, way more powerful than mastodon, the ideal single user platform, not only for independent journalists. So if it where for Mrs. Lorenz herself, a social.usermag.co node would not only suffice without even entering the community and moderation details, she'd be in the drivers seat of her data and social web contacts. She even could publish simultaneously to bluesky, the fediverse, the diaspora network, tumblr and by email. With one click. And recieve all the input by her followers on her very own server. Ultimately that's what our decentralized web is about.
Right now, even tho she is independent, she depends on centralized gatekeepers that by the law of enshitification sooner or later always will cheat her. Be it substack, patreon, YT or the expectation that Elon might throttle the reach of her voice because she interviewed the mother of his child. They will always have the upper hand.
So teasing her the way I did is without any doubt nothing else than just that, using a wording that call's the attention for a split second to initialize own thought processes. A kinda friendly wake up call.
Te be sincere, it's not only embarrassing in my opinion to need to talk in length about this, actually my comments were directed way more to@OrionKidderwho already pulled the rug, than to you.The passive-aggressive communication style you people developed out there in the realm of the commercialized (a)social web is .. well .. painful to watch. Being for more than 15 years now out here in the federated web, we continuously are exposed to the backlashes and bad habits that reign out there, created and induced by algorithms, addictive dopamin schemes and all the rest we all know about.
This is the internet with people from all over the world, not only from northern america. And if right now you are Barcelona based, probablement ya se dio cuenta que, como dicen los alemans, andere Länder andere Sitten. De hecho al punto que siquiera los españoles y los latinos son capaces de comunicarse por largos ratos sin ofenderse y empezar a ponerse de estupidos porque parten de la base de que probablemente ay mala intencion del otro lado de la pantalla.
Why would I even bother to waste my time, the only thing I truly own, to address others out here with bad intent? Because others do so? If people aren't willing to think twice, think out of the box, give the benefit of the doubt, they most likely should dedicate themselves to do some blog posts and grant the world the right to cherish their glory, instead of reaching out into social interaction in a realm like the fediVerse where we all share so many things in common, beginning with the fact that we already managed to escape the sites set up by criminals out there, that the fact that we engage with each other should suffice to have fun together, instead of being afraid that some is trying to have fun at our expenses.
Right now I'm working on some material for to promote and explain our decentralized setup, maybe this map creates enough curiosity in Mrs Lorenz to think about setting up her own fediVerse nodes for her podcast, and her writings, mabye she even could host her videos on some peerTube instance. That way she might evolve her independent setup while surfing and milking the sites and setups she managed to evolve already.
The tone of my posts?
The tone of my posts are the way I write them and that's quite far and distant to the way your hear them.
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@andyinabox
The statement was specifically about @taylorlorenz, as she is out here for quite a while now and a respected journalist in the IT space, went independent time ago, and finances herself by subscriber support. She is the ideal kind of "influencer" to promote the fedi and at the same time to test and prove that with an established modest fixed support for servers, a different kind of social web is possible. The German mastodon instance digital.courage for example decided to expect a fixed "profile fee" of 1 Euro per month, payable once a year, as accounting every month would be to much work.It is obvious that setting up and maintaining a well moderated instance for users in the fediVerse comes with work and expenses. That's what my comment(s) started to begin with, by mentioning exclusivity and the bottleneck of moderation. I have no doubt that small communities can self moderate.
The experience itself would even fit into Mrs. Lorenz realm of expertise and actually give room for content creation, articles and books.I'm writing this comment from a self hosted friendica instance, way more powerful than mastodon, the ideal single user platform, not only for independent journalists. So if it where for Mrs. Lorenz herself, a social.usermag.co node would not only suffice without even entering the community and moderation details, she'd be in the drivers seat of her data and social web contacts. She even could publish simultaneously to bluesky, the fediverse, the diaspora network, tumblr and by email. With one click. And recieve all the input by her followers on her very own server. Ultimately that's what our decentralized web is about.
Right now, even tho she is independent, she depends on centralized gatekeepers that by the law of enshitification sooner or later always will cheat her. Be it substack, patreon, YT or the expectation that Elon might throttle the reach of her voice because she interviewed the mother of his child. They will always have the upper hand.
So teasing her the way I did is without any doubt nothing else than just that, using a wording that call's the attention for a split second to initialize own thought processes. A kinda friendly wake up call.
Te be sincere, it's not only embarrassing in my opinion to need to talk in length about this, actually my comments were directed way more to@OrionKidderwho already pulled the rug, than to you.The passive-aggressive communication style you people developed out there in the realm of the commercialized (a)social web is .. well .. painful to watch. Being for more than 15 years now out here in the federated web, we continuously are exposed to the backlashes and bad habits that reign out there, created and induced by algorithms, addictive dopamin schemes and all the rest we all know about.
This is the internet with people from all over the world, not only from northern america. And if right now you are Barcelona based, probablement ya se dio cuenta que, como dicen los alemans, andere Länder andere Sitten. De hecho al punto que siquiera los españoles y los latinos son capaces de comunicarse por largos ratos sin ofenderse y empezar a ponerse de estupidos porque parten de la base de que probablemente ay mala intencion del otro lado de la pantalla.
Why would I even bother to waste my time, the only thing I truly own, to address others out here with bad intent? Because others do so? If people aren't willing to think twice, think out of the box, give the benefit of the doubt, they most likely should dedicate themselves to do some blog posts and grant the world the right to cherish their glory, instead of reaching out into social interaction in a realm like the fediVerse where we all share so many things in common, beginning with the fact that we already managed to escape the sites set up by criminals out there, that the fact that we engage with each other should suffice to have fun together, instead of being afraid that some is trying to have fun at our expenses.
Right now I'm working on some material for to promote and explain our decentralized setup, maybe this map creates enough curiosity in Mrs Lorenz to think about setting up her own fediVerse nodes for her podcast, and her writings, mabye she even could host her videos on some peerTube instance. That way she might evolve her independent setup while surfing and milking the sites and setups she managed to evolve already.
The tone of my posts?
The tone of my posts are the way I write them and that's quite far and distant to the way your hear them. -
With all the tiktok drama I have been telling people Mastodon is still here and kicking!! I love this app and I really think the decentralized model is the best for social media.
Still, people don’t want to join! What do you think Mastodon’s biggest barriers are to courting new users? What could be done to improve the product and grow the user base in a positive way?
@taylorlorenz @hpod16 "Normals" simply don't care. Unless there’s a massive culture shift toward Mastodon, people won't leave other networks because it's less painful to stay than it is to change. This is the crux of every psychological decision ever.
People just need to give it a try and see for themselves, but that's a big ask.
