"An ad blocker is preventing this page from loading."
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"An ad blocker is preventing this page from loading."
No, my #adblocker is preventing your #ADs from loading. The fact that the REST of your page refuses to load if the ads dont load, well that sounds like a YOU problem.
@tezoatlipoca similar to 'your privacy matters to us' so please make 45 clicks to turn off our tracking cookies because we refuse to provide a reject all button.
Reads to me like, we don't want people visiting our site
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Do any of these CMS and online-ad platform/network #productmanagers realize that if they were to just go back to unobtrusive only-static-image ads embedded in the html of the page itself I would fucking put eyeballs on those? But noooo, we gotta have modal popups and pay-gates and minimize-in-the-corner auto-play videos.
This worked just fine until 2010 then ya went and ballzed it up.
@tezoatlipoca Unobtrusive being the key word.
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Do any of these CMS and online-ad platform/network #productmanagers realize that if they were to just go back to unobtrusive only-static-image ads embedded in the html of the page itself I would fucking put eyeballs on those? But noooo, we gotta have modal popups and pay-gates and minimize-in-the-corner auto-play videos.
This worked just fine until 2010 then ya went and ballzed it up.
@tezoatlipoca Text ads were better. Marketers inevitably start using bright, clashing colours if they're not allowed to just straight up flash bright lights directly onto your cornea to get your attention.
Marketing is sensory warfare. Ad and tracker blockers are armour and PPE. Asking me to take off my armour so you can shoot me before I'm allowed in isn't going to make me particularly receptive.
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@tezoatlipoca At this point I have so much ill will towards the advertising industry that even if they went back to those I would still block the shit out of every single one.
The only reason I'm not setting fire to all advertising I see in the real world is because I'd get arrested.
@retrosponge @tezoatlipoca Zero tolerance is the only defensible advertising policy.
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@tezoatlipoca At this point I have so much ill will towards the advertising industry that even if they went back to those I would still block the shit out of every single one.
The only reason I'm not setting fire to all advertising I see in the real world is because I'd get arrested.
@retrosponge
I don't know much about Bill Hicks, but many years ago a friend introduced me to his idea on advertisers and marketeers, and I couldn't agree more
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@retrosponge
I don't know much about Bill Hicks, but many years ago a friend introduced me to his idea on advertisers and marketeers, and I couldn't agree more
@tezoatlipoca@hypostase @retrosponge @tezoatlipoca Bill’s rants about the ad industry are epic https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9h9wStdPkQY
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"An ad blocker is preventing this page from loading."
No, my #adblocker is preventing your #ADs from loading. The fact that the REST of your page refuses to load if the ads dont load, well that sounds like a YOU problem.
@tezoatlipoca As much as I hate ads, tracking, malvertising and websites trying to blame my adblocker... we are not entitled to free ad-free content.
We complain about paywalls. We complain about ads. And when websites that invest in high-quality journalism go out of business because they can't pay their staff, we complain that everything is AI slop and SEO spam nowadays.
The content industry is so weird.
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@tezoatlipoca As much as I hate ads, tracking, malvertising and websites trying to blame my adblocker... we are not entitled to free ad-free content.
We complain about paywalls. We complain about ads. And when websites that invest in high-quality journalism go out of business because they can't pay their staff, we complain that everything is AI slop and SEO spam nowadays.
The content industry is so weird.
@superblox @tezoatlipoca Early internet spoiled us by being primarily academic, everything was free because tax money was used to pay for the required work in the first place.
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@superblox @tezoatlipoca Early internet spoiled us by being primarily academic, everything was free because tax money was used to pay for the required work in the first place.
@madengineering @tezoatlipoca The internet is more than just a collection of scientific publications to me though. If that's all you desire, that's still out there.
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@madengineering @tezoatlipoca The internet is more than just a collection of scientific publications to me though. If that's all you desire, that's still out there.
@superblox @tezoatlipoca The ideal was, I think the banner ad. Simple Image. Paid for the content, and there were limits to how much it could annoy you.
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@tezoatlipoca Unobtrusive being the key word.
@mansr ugh.
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@superblox @tezoatlipoca The ideal was, I think the banner ad. Simple Image. Paid for the content, and there were limits to how much it could annoy you.
Back in the day when print magazines and newspapers where a thing - I dunno I haven't bought one of those in over 15 yrs - they were at least HALF ads and noone cared or commented, even when you were ALSO paying for the thing up front. Didn't want to read the ad, move your eyes!
I don't think anyone has issue with ads being present, just don't pull jank shit like modal capture popups or refusing to load at all unless you have JS active/disable blockers etc.
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@tezoatlipoca similar to 'your privacy matters to us' so please make 45 clicks to turn off our tracking cookies because we refuse to provide a reject all button.
Reads to me like, we don't want people visiting our site
@Eurospoofer @tezoatlipoca I mean, that's how I read it. If your site won't function without being able to serve up 90 bazillion ads, I'll go elsewhere and your site will serve up 0 ads.
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@tezoatlipoca "an adblocker is preventing this page from loading."
Oh, it sounds like the page is all ads then. Cool, enjoy that, I'm off to do something else.
@WizardOfDocs buhbyeeee!
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Back in the day when print magazines and newspapers where a thing - I dunno I haven't bought one of those in over 15 yrs - they were at least HALF ads and noone cared or commented, even when you were ALSO paying for the thing up front. Didn't want to read the ad, move your eyes!
I don't think anyone has issue with ads being present, just don't pull jank shit like modal capture popups or refusing to load at all unless you have JS active/disable blockers etc.
@tezoatlipoca @madengineering @superblox But print ads were neither predatory nor parasitic. If you weren't interested, you could just turn the page.
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@tezoatlipoca @madengineering @superblox But print ads were neither predatory nor parasitic. If you weren't interested, you could just turn the page.
@xocolatli @madengineering @superblox that's what Im saying, if the ads went back to being mostly passive (I think we'd also be ok with the odd banner add like mid 2000s style) we'd all be ok with that.
Also, the way out of this for ad networks is to provide the ads via cached API call and have the (passive, image only) ads added to the page at render/compile time not serve/proxy/client-agent time like they are now. You can't disable an ad if its just like any other image in the page.
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@superblox @tezoatlipoca The ideal was, I think the banner ad. Simple Image. Paid for the content, and there were limits to how much it could annoy you.
@madengineering @tezoatlipoca Except advertisers don't pay squat for untargeted ads that are easy to ignore. That's the business reality we're ignoring.
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