Finland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Estonia are soon enabling offline debit card payments for at least seven days without network connectivity.

[slotos@toot.community]

@jandi @harrysintonen Reqlly interested in this too. Not even the tech of it—I don’t expect any surprises there—but rather the organizational decisions behind them all.

[kallekn@mastodonsweden.se]

@leffe @harrysintonen Swish works fine on /e/OS. But it does require BankID. Which also works fine on /e/OS, at the moment at least.

[leffe@social.linux.pizza]

@kallekn @harrysintonen

Android apps that don't require logging in to Google for "security" reasons may soon be a thing of the past. I had /e/OS for a couple of years, but there were other necessary apps that wouldn't run, because they hadn't been installed by Google. It's a house of cards.

[kallekn@mastodonsweden.se]

@leffe @harrysintonen That's what I am afraid of when it comes to BankID for example. If it stops working, /e/OS is toast.

[leffe@social.linux.pizza]

@kallekn @harrysintonen

Oh, and even #MicroG as an alternative to Play Services still depends on Google infrastructure.

[toxy@mastodon.acc.sunet.se]

@kallekn @leffe @harrysintonen I’ve just bought a SailfishOS phone and hope I can get BankID working on it, presumably by sideloading the Android version.

[harrysintonen@infosec.exchange]

@jandi My understanding is that this is all based on the existing EMV technology and doesn't require new hardware. Basically it's just enabling existing features. Sorry, but I don't have technical specs for this.

@slotos
As for the regulation, each country has a slightly different process and bodies doing it. Usually it's the national central bank with some kind of payment council (that has participants from various stakeholders running the payment systems, for example https://www.nationalbanken.dk/en/what-we-do/safe-and-efficient-payments/the-danish-payments-council).

[kallekn@mastodonsweden.se]

@toxy @leffe @harrysintonen Please do tell if that works.

[leffe@social.linux.pizza]

@toxy @kallekn @harrysintonen

I had Sailfish too for a couple of years. Same problems.

[toxy@mastodon.acc.sunet.se]

@kallekn @leffe @harrysintonen Absolutely.

[kallekn@mastodonsweden.se]

@leffe @toxy @harrysintonen But did BankID work? What did not work?

[leffe@social.linux.pizza]

@kallekn @toxy @harrysintonen

Yes, but it was eight years ago. It doesn't have any advantage over other degoogled systems. We'll see what happens whey tighten things this autumn.

[jandi@mastodon.social]

@harrysintonen @slotos Thank you. The nationalbanken.de is the link with more info IMO.

Interesting stuff, thank you for posting, and @skinnylatte for boosting.

[kallekn@mastodonsweden.se]

@leffe @toxy @harrysintonen The advantage would be that it is totally independent of Google... except it maybe isn't, when you need to use Android apps... which is most apps.

[wariat@mastodon.social]

@harrysintonen
It's high time they came up with the idea of ​​abolishing cash.

[catraxx@tech.lgbt]

@harrysintonen I am glad that when the world ends, i can still pay my bills.

[sef@social.coop]

@wariat That means the end of common access to state-issued money (m0). Not sure that’s a good thing, if not an outright monetary impossibility. https://www.harpercollins.com/products/cloudmoney-brett-scott @harrysintonen

[evoscale@c.im]

@harrysintonen What are the odds that 'internet' would morph into network of interconnected drone nets?

*not an endorsement of satellite networks

[osma@mas.to]

This paves the way for digital euro, but affects in-person payments only, and relinquishes the consumers' chargeback right because even when delayed, debit is still debit. With buyer behavior moving more and more online, and remote purchases without chargeback right moving all the transaction risk to the consumer, it's not all good.
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/digital_euro/html/index.en.html
@harrysintonen

[wariat@mastodon.social]

@sef
In my opinion, it's a really bad idea, but no one ever asks me

@harrysintonen