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When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me.

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  • dynom@toot.communityD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #61

    @TheGreatLlama @evacide @nuintari @kagihq if you can, please do use paid services, because those businesses could really use your business most likely.

    However there are ample search engines that are more privacy focussed and (mostly) sans AI: startpage.com, search.brave.com and the already mentioned DuckDuckGo.

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    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

      When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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      #62

      @evacide With the information at https://udm14.com/ its possible to get the regular search "back" (make it a default) again.
      https://tenbluelinks.org/ shows you how.

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      • craftxbox@transfur.socialC craftxbox@transfur.social

        @evacide thanks but no thanks

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        #63

        @craftxbox @evacide Same. Wondering if they see the irony.

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        • artgeek@mastodon.socialA artgeek@mastodon.social

          I switched to Duck Duck Go last week, apparently just in time. Google, once obsessively minimalist and functional, has descended into an ugly pile of crap. I can onlly hope the market gives them what they deserve. 😏

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          @ArtGeek When google started, I used it and ignored all the other search engines because Google didn't have those annoying, flashing banner ads that loaded before everything else. At that point, Google ads were short tag lines, so everything fit in a single HTTP transaction. The tag lines reminded me of the guys at a classical music station who would read one with a "why am I reduced to this crass commercialism" tone of voice.

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          • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

            When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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            @evacide That's why I don't use Google.

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            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

              When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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              @evacide and since google still wants to make billions by selling keywords the llm summary will contain tailored wrong information catering to whoever pays the most.

              It will be wrong on purpose.

              The vast majority of third party search providers just use the google or bing index. I see a not so distant future where they stop selling access to the index. Killing off those other search engines over night.

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              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                #67

                @evacide

                For anyone that wants to turn it off
                https://support.google.com/websearch/thread/381948916/how-to-shut-down-and-delete-the-ai-mode-from-google?hl=en

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                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                  When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                  #68

                  @evacide today i learnt about @kagihq and today i learnt they actively choose to use yandex. So today i learnt that phuck @kagihq dearly, too. Sray strong, Ukraine.

                  Edited a typo.

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                  • dynom@toot.communityD dynom@toot.community

                    @avuko @evacide that's a false dichotomy. Filtering lists of results isn't typically the goal of your search query, reading them to learn something is.

                    Changing the list of results with a summary of said results is merely reaching that information differently.

                    If the AI results become more factual over time and/or people learn to judge sources listed in the AI result (as they must now) it might become just more efficient.

                    Lots of ifs and buts, I'm aware, I just hope won't suck. 🤞

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                    @dynom @evacide

                    This shift means that “searching the web” will increasingly be performed by AI agents rather than humans. Instead, people will focus more on acting on the information those agents provide instead of manually clicking links. [My emphasis].

                    That they frame it as “clicking links” instead of processing information to create your own understanding and worldview, is a very smart and carefully constructed rhetorical trick.

                    Why spend your energy “clicking links”, which sounds like a useless and boring task, instead of working with the information they want to give you, within a context they control, exposed only to their ads and storylines, that you are then promised you can “act on”.

                    Like you have any grasp left on what you are acting on…

                    This whole thing is a worse kind of thought-control than whatever Orwell, Bradbury and Huxley ever came up with. Combined.

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                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                      When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                      @evacide it’s basically the reason I’ve stopped using Google.

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                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                        When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                        @evacide

                        On a more practical note:

                        Anybody have a list of ranges and user agents I can use to ban Google from ever again indexing my website(s)?

                        Are their “agentic search assistants” coming from the same places and with the same user agents?

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                        • scrivy@hachyderm.ioS scrivy@hachyderm.io

                          @evacide

                          You can easily remove the AI Overview...
                          https://hachyderm.io/@scrivy/116536252469319380

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                          @scrivy for now. @evacide

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                          • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                            When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                            @evacide but that doesn't help their "users of ai" number go up. I love the grift of it all /s

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                            • avuko@infosec.exchangeA avuko@infosec.exchange

                              @dynom @evacide

                              This shift means that “searching the web” will increasingly be performed by AI agents rather than humans. Instead, people will focus more on acting on the information those agents provide instead of manually clicking links. [My emphasis].

                              That they frame it as “clicking links” instead of processing information to create your own understanding and worldview, is a very smart and carefully constructed rhetorical trick.

                              Why spend your energy “clicking links”, which sounds like a useless and boring task, instead of working with the information they want to give you, within a context they control, exposed only to their ads and storylines, that you are then promised you can “act on”.

                              Like you have any grasp left on what you are acting on…

                              This whole thing is a worse kind of thought-control than whatever Orwell, Bradbury and Huxley ever came up with. Combined.

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                              @avuko @evacide how it's presented for user interaction is certainly relevant.

                              I currently like how, for example, Lumo does it. It provides all sources used for information so that you can check it freely.

                              If searching doesn't become easier, the primary sources of information will become the channels that are the TikToks of this world.

                              I'm not convinced what the lesser evil is.

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                              • dynom@toot.communityD dynom@toot.community

                                @avuko @evacide how it's presented for user interaction is certainly relevant.

                                I currently like how, for example, Lumo does it. It provides all sources used for information so that you can check it freely.

                                If searching doesn't become easier, the primary sources of information will become the channels that are the TikToks of this world.

                                I'm not convinced what the lesser evil is.

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                                @dynom @evacide

                                If something is summarised, people (actively excluding the neurospicy crowd here 😉) will not check unless you force them too. This is established fact. See news. See education. See politics. See science.

                                If people do not check, they do not actively engage. They build no knowledge about subjects.

                                They are left with opinions based on the (dis)information presented to them.

                                Anyway, no good will come from any of this. But you wouldn’t know it from looking it up on Google or seeing the news. And that’s exactly my point.

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                                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                  When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                  @evacide you are so 2010... 😁 And so am I.

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                                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                    When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                    @evacide simple solution Startpage or Duckduckgo with deactivated AI summaries and functions. I still would recommend Startpage over Duck Duck Go because of AI trash.

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                                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                      When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                      #78

                                      @evacide can't read because it wants me to disable my ad blocker. Anyway, I migrated to qwant some time ago _exactly_ because I was so annoyed by AI summaries, and I have not looked back.

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                                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                        When I do a web search, I do not want Google to go to the websites for me, pull the information, and interpret it for me. I want it to give me a list of websites that I can read and evaluate myself because AI is frequently wrong: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

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                                        @evacide I really wish people on here could resist the urge to recommend some other search engine.

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                                        • avuko@infosec.exchangeA avuko@infosec.exchange

                                          @dynom @evacide

                                          This shift means that “searching the web” will increasingly be performed by AI agents rather than humans. Instead, people will focus more on acting on the information those agents provide instead of manually clicking links. [My emphasis].

                                          That they frame it as “clicking links” instead of processing information to create your own understanding and worldview, is a very smart and carefully constructed rhetorical trick.

                                          Why spend your energy “clicking links”, which sounds like a useless and boring task, instead of working with the information they want to give you, within a context they control, exposed only to their ads and storylines, that you are then promised you can “act on”.

                                          Like you have any grasp left on what you are acting on…

                                          This whole thing is a worse kind of thought-control than whatever Orwell, Bradbury and Huxley ever came up with. Combined.

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                                          @avuko @dynom @evacide Why click the mouse when our AI engine can do it for you? Why press keys on the keyboard? Why think? Why exist?

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