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It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years?

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  • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

    It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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    @lmorchard Already accomplished. Cloud computing and web based applications are the mainframe all over again. The priesthood never died, just worked and waited to reemerge.

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    • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

      It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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      A warning about rising prices, vanishing consumer choice, and a future where owning a computer may matter more than ever as hardware, power, and control drift toward data centers and away from people.

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      @lmorchard you know, the last machine I had that I really liked was a beautiful DEC tank of a Pentium. Just imagine how much better computers could be if software and OSs for the workaday stiff had to run on constrained resources that can now be cheaply produced.

      —
      Sent from my iPad

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      • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

        It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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        Hold on to Your Hardware

        A warning about rising prices, vanishing consumer choice, and a future where owning a computer may matter more than ever as hardware, power, and control drift toward data centers and away from people.

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        #17

        @lmorchard

        Oh, they’re absolutely are. Just look at all the laws that are being passed now and some states. I think it’s Colorado. I just read who wants to put identification personal identification into the OS.

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        • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

          It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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          Hold on to Your Hardware

          A warning about rising prices, vanishing consumer choice, and a future where owning a computer may matter more than ever as hardware, power, and control drift toward data centers and away from people.

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          #18

          @lmorchard they are trying unfortunately

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          • robdaemon@hachyderm.ioR robdaemon@hachyderm.io

            @trevorflowers @lmorchard https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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            @robdaemon @trevorflowers @lmorchard The worrisome part of this is that the AI bubble burst could accelerate this: superscalars sitting on new data centers and hardware with no use for it. Sell it or... convince the public that this is now their new computer [as though that were the plan all along] and they should buy this new cloud terminal device and pay them so they can recoup some of their huge mistakes.

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            • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

              @maddiefuzz @lmorchard FWIW they're already working on trying to make 3D printers illegal (because you could maybe print parts of guns with them).

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              #20

              @thomasfuchs @lmorchard I’m not sure they’re gonna win that one, for the pessimistic reason that it’s quickly becoming An Industry that will surely lobby.

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              • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                @maddiefuzz @lmorchard FWIW they're already working on trying to make 3D printers illegal (because you could maybe print parts of guns with them).

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                Better make bread illegal too, because someone could die choking on it.

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                • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                  It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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                  Hold on to Your Hardware

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                  kali@discuss.systemsK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @lmorchard can you not pick up right wing conspiracy slogans and just run with them *SMH*

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                  • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                    It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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                    Hold on to Your Hardware

                    A warning about rising prices, vanishing consumer choice, and a future where owning a computer may matter more than ever as hardware, power, and control drift toward data centers and away from people.

                    favicon

                    マリウス (xn--gckvb8fzb.com)

                    jkn@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @lmorchard The average person WANTS all forms of computing to be an abstract subscription that they never have to think about.

                    The future of computing hangs on socioeconomic ideology, not technology.

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                    • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                      It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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                      Hold on to Your Hardware

                      A warning about rising prices, vanishing consumer choice, and a future where owning a computer may matter more than ever as hardware, power, and control drift toward data centers and away from people.

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                      #24

                      @lmorchard They've been complaining about it since the 80's. Which explains a few things about how it was taught in the 90's.

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                      • tankgrrl@hachyderm.ioT tankgrrl@hachyderm.io

                        @robdaemon @trevorflowers @lmorchard The worrisome part of this is that the AI bubble burst could accelerate this: superscalars sitting on new data centers and hardware with no use for it. Sell it or... convince the public that this is now their new computer [as though that were the plan all along] and they should buy this new cloud terminal device and pay them so they can recoup some of their huge mistakes.

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                        @tankgrrl @robdaemon @trevorflowers @lmorchard what?? Push risk onto the public?? That’s unpossible!

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                        • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                          I know just little enough about the production of ICs to think that building a DIY microprocessor would be akin to when that kid David Hahn tried building a nuclear reactor in his garage in the 90s. But then again, maybe that's what *they* want me to think

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                          @lmorchard I wrote a book about that sort of thing some years ago. It's rather outdated at this point but it might give you some ideas.

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                          • maddiefuzz@masto.hackers.townM maddiefuzz@masto.hackers.town

                            @thomasfuchs @lmorchard I’m not sure they’re gonna win that one, for the pessimistic reason that it’s quickly becoming An Industry that will surely lobby.

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                            @maddiefuzz @thomasfuchs @lmorchard To keep printers out of non-company hands.

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                            • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                              I know just little enough about the production of ICs to think that building a DIY microprocessor would be akin to when that kid David Hahn tried building a nuclear reactor in his garage in the 90s. But then again, maybe that's what *they* want me to think

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                              @lmorchard only one way to find out!!!

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                              • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                                I know just little enough about the production of ICs to think that building a DIY microprocessor would be akin to when that kid David Hahn tried building a nuclear reactor in his garage in the 90s. But then again, maybe that's what *they* want me to think

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                                @lmorchard there is a, probably now adult, person out there doing exactly this, with the same attitude as the nuclear reactor kid.

                                last time I checked in, he was working in the 300 nanometer scale. zaloof, or something like that. He's on YouTube.

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                                • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                                  It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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                                  Hold on to Your Hardware

                                  A warning about rising prices, vanishing consumer choice, and a future where owning a computer may matter more than ever as hardware, power, and control drift toward data centers and away from people.

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                                  @lmorchard My gut reaction from living through a decade of stupid component shortages is "yes, this is alarmist, BUT I'm still holding onto my gaming PC just in case".

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                                  • trevorflowers@hachyderm.ioT trevorflowers@hachyderm.io

                                    @lmorchard They practiced with locked phones and every new form since. A lot of their moves on PCs look like maneuvering for the same thing.

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                                    @trevorflowers @lmorchard I agreed to set up a friend's W11 laptop to dual-boot Linux Mint. I have probably done this fifty times or more (with various versions of Windows != 11 though). Usually a 15-minute process excluding the download intervals.

                                    Dear reader, the pain that ensued thanks to secure boot, TPM, and Bitlocker was extraordinary. Hours of messing with one-off ISO builds and the limited access to BIOS parameters just about broke me.

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                                    • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                                      It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware.

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                                      Hold on to Your Hardware

                                      A warning about rising prices, vanishing consumer choice, and a future where owning a computer may matter more than ever as hardware, power, and control drift toward data centers and away from people.

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                                      @lmorchard everyone rolled their eyes at me for only shopping for old laptops, but here we are.

                                      As nice and easy as it would be to just buy the latest M5 macbook, they're basically kill-switched now. I dont play games, so as long as this a pre-secureboot intel machine can still push Linux and some form of browser, I'll rock it til it dies or I do.

                                      and of course they can bury my Amiga with me.

                                      Besides, youve already built yourself a kit z80, between that and all your retro stuff you probably wont need to go full Ben Eater in the garage. Though he does make it look "easy".

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                                      • macross@infosec.townM macross@infosec.town

                                        @lmorchard everyone rolled their eyes at me for only shopping for old laptops, but here we are.

                                        As nice and easy as it would be to just buy the latest M5 macbook, they're basically kill-switched now. I dont play games, so as long as this a pre-secureboot intel machine can still push Linux and some form of browser, I'll rock it til it dies or I do.

                                        and of course they can bury my Amiga with me.

                                        Besides, youve already built yourself a kit z80, between that and all your retro stuff you probably wont need to go full Ben Eater in the garage. Though he does make it look "easy".

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                                        @macross @lmorchard Do you not already have an Amiga-compatible casket on order? I figured this was a given.

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                                        • lmorchard@masto.hackers.townL lmorchard@masto.hackers.town

                                          On one hand, I'm kinda looking forward to when bubbles burst and used hardware shows up cheap as liquidated surplus. On the other hand, I've got doomsday thinking like "how hard would it be to manufacture a DIY 6502 or Z80 in my garage?"

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                                          @lmorchard I looked into it a while ago (around when I was running a makerspace), the main issue is that CPU manufacturing has always been highly protected by patents and corporate secrecy. While 80s-level processors should be pretty cheap to manufacture in theory, the equipment to do it is no longer in production and the processes to do it repeatably are buried in the Amstrad documents vault.

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