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Agrivoltaics is a Thing!
Turns ordinary sheep into solarpunk grazers (happy sheep yield more wool).Lots of other success stories here:
https://mastodon.social/@CelloMomOnCars/112020795068005590Also:
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@sundew@beige.party @cmconseils@mastodon.social yeah, agrivoltaics is a thing. Both with panels over crops, as well as over pastures.
Replacing farmlands with solar farms is a separate issue.bovaz@misskey.social Not really. A large chunk of farmlands are actually dedicated to energy production. Just because it looks like food doesn't mean anyone's going to eat it.
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bovaz@misskey.social Not really. A large chunk of farmlands are actually dedicated to energy production. Just because it looks like food doesn't mean anyone's going to eat it.
@kichae@wanderingadventure.party You mean biogas/biofuel and stuff like that?
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While Iran is on going take the chance to ration fossil fule use and :
- add surcharges to businesses that encourage personal vehicle use
- add a per vehicle timesed by cost of vehicle make surcharge. This would include luxury hotels, resorts and airports
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@cmconseils Get rid of the car parks and build trams.
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@cmconseils Consider that many of the cornfields we currently have are used to produce ethanol to add to fuels. Replacing one type of fuel for another seems like a fair trade to me. In addition, a car park solar installation requires taller, reinforced poles to raise them above the cars parking below. It makes sense to utilize these spaces where there are not any rooftops or fields around, but rooftops and fields are generally a less expensive place to start.
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It's an idea
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@cmconseils car parking adjacent to high voltage substations is rather limited, and where they are only moderately separated the route to run a substantial cable tends to be through shops, offices, homes, and roads. Rather than across a field or three.
The shade is certainly welcome, eg in France, (and the shelter from rain in England) but the production of electricity is more in scale with the shops and light industry than the Grid.
Meanwhile, our crops are dried out and appreciate shelter.
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@cmconseils that picture is most likely a monocrop field used for bio fuel. it is way better used covered by panels.
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@cmconseils honestly this just reads as a car lobby talking points.
keep burning bio fuel! add more parking spaces with some greenwashing to show we care!
let’s put green spaces in the city instead of huge parkings. there is plenty space for solar panels already.
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@cmconseils We should cover parking lots with solar panels but there aren't enough parking lots to power a country with them.
This just looks like fossil fuel propoganda, preying on people's misunderstandings about what the words "solar farm" means and trying to stoke fear. Trying to frame it as a choice between starvation and pollution.
Solar farms are built on fields that are not being used for growing food, unless it's a kind of food that grows better in shade.
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@cmconseils You gotta have LOTS of spare land to waste to have car parks that look like that. Obvs multistorey car parks have less space for solar panels.
@TimWardCam @cmconseils these are common in the US suburbs. We call them strip malls.
As for the OP: It's wild to me that we aren't requiring solar for all new construction in 2026.
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Right? Keep cars cool and generate electricity at the same time. I see literally no downside to covering car parks like that.
Although this won't work for parking garages with rooftop parking. Not unless there are solar panels that can survive cars driving on them, anyway.
As for covering fields in solar panels, that's not necessarily a bad idea either. Some plants want shade. Solar panels can provide it.
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@TimWardCam @cmconseils these are common in the US suburbs. We call them strip malls.
As for the OP: It's wild to me that we aren't requiring solar for all new construction in 2026.
@HunterZ @cmconseils Yes, we haven't had land to waste like that in Europe for a thousand years or so.
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@HunterZ @cmconseils Yes, we haven't had land to waste like that in Europe for a thousand years or so.
@TimWardCam @cmconseils I think a lot of the car discourse on here fails to account for this difference.
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@TimWardCam @cmconseils I think a lot of the car discourse on here fails to account for this difference.
@HunterZ @cmconseils I worked in the smart street lighting business for a while and was mildly astonished to find that 50% of the "street lights" in the USA aren't in streets at all but in car parks.
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@HunterZ @cmconseils I worked in the smart street lighting business for a while and was mildly astonished to find that 50% of the "street lights" in the USA aren't in streets at all but in car parks.
@TimWardCam @cmconseils sadly this doesn't surprise me, especially since roads are no exception to our public services funding allergy.
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Covering fields with solar arrays makes farming and conservation sense. The key point is the area beneath the panels should either be farmed as agrivoltaics or be maintained as a protected wildlife area. Shade is an important aid to biodiversity. Approvals should be appropriately conditioned.
Golf courses are far more extensive and a biodiversity desert.
