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Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location?

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  • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

    Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

    It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

    I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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    @rmondello thanks for sharing. It would be great if iOS could explain this somehow. Often hear complaints from non-tech users that apps are spying on them when it’s actually a privacy feature. passkeys get misunderstood as sharing biometric data. Great tech but no one knows 🥲

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    • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

      Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

      It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

      I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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      @rmondello how does the app know which location to specify ahead of time? Do they just register every major airport ahead of time?

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      • ptoomey3@mastodon.socialP ptoomey3@mastodon.social

        @rmondello how does the app know which location to specify ahead of time? Do they just register every major airport ahead of time?

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        “or exits” …ahhh…that would make it much easier.

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        • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

          Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

          It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

          I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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          @rmondello I 100% had this question!

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            @rmondello how does the app know which location to specify ahead of time? Do they just register every major airport ahead of time?

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            @ptoomey3 I am not a technical expert in this area, but I suspect it’s something like that. I am not aware of any rules or limitations around geographical fence areas or how many can be registered.

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            • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

              Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

              It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

              I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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              • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

                Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

                It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

                I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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                @rmondello TIL thank you Ricky

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                • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

                  Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

                  It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

                  I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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                  @rmondello Love this feature. I’ve had a “welcome to Vegas, good luck” notification in my app since it was possible. Privacy preserving, using this trigger.

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                  • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

                    Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

                    It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

                    I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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                    @rmondello In SFO you are reminded to get a Clipper Card in you passbook app. In DC it is the Smartrip.

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                      @rusty @rmondello you don't need Meshtastic for the latter case, many wifi access points can do the same thing. If you have enough of them in an area, you can compare the signal strength to get the approximate position of each device.

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                      • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

                        Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

                        It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

                        I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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                        @rmondello
                        You are saying "unless and until you interact with it", are you sure? The trigger will call some app's code to generate the notification content, no? So the app can send data. Or is the notification content calculated when it is registered?

                        (I have not developped on iOs the last 10years, my memory is not very clear on that topic).

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                        • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

                          Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

                          It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

                          I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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                          @rmondello@hachyderm.io

                          I remember a story, years ago, about a dev job hunting. He wrote a little app for his phone that would trigger when he was leaving the interview site, sending a than you note. It sounded impressive at the time.

                          Now…

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                          • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

                            Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

                            It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

                            I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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                            @rmondello TIL

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                            • rmondello@hachyderm.ioR rmondello@hachyderm.io

                              Have you ever gotten that notification from Uber when you land at a major airport that encourages you to open the app to book a ride and wonder how they figured out your location? The first time I saw this I wondered who betrayed me and shared this data with them.

                              It turns out that it might be nobody. iOS can publish notifications for an app based on a geographic region and that app doesn’t know the wiser unless and until you interact with it.

                              I figured that if I didn’t know this, some of y’all might not. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger

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                              @rmondello I had assumed it was guessing geography changes based on IP, but I also use a VPN so … this had been a mystery to me!

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