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There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs.

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  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

    There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

    There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

    A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

    A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

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    @Daojoan

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    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

      There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

      There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

      A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

      A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

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      @Daojoan

      I always cringe at illustrations of “office AI assistants”. Humanoid robots who look at a big monitor and does input using a keyboard and mouse. JUST USE THE USB-C CONNECTOR ALREADY!!!

      Of course, they are almost always white and the female bots have nice boobs. So infantilising.

      Sarah Connor’s biggest mistake was failing to develop military grade glue guns. The first robot uprising would have been too sticky to do much damage 😁

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      • justcameheretosay@mastodon.socialJ justcameheretosay@mastodon.social

        @Daojoan

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        @justcameheretosay after the marathon 😂 @Daojoan

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        • bit@ohai.socialB bit@ohai.social

          @Daojoan There is one reason. Robots will often have to work in a space designed by humans for humans, so they will need to mimic humans. Big companies have the money to create infrastructure that fits robots better. China has entire factories run by robots, where they work 24/7 with lights off. Amazon has warehouses that are completely flat, and riddled with guidelines and tracks on the floor. Not every company will have such infrastructure, so they'll need robots that can climb stairs instead.

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          @bit @Daojoan

          There is another reason that should be obvious but isn’t, because for some reason we are never taught this when we are kids.

          Of all large creatures, the human has the tightest turn radius.

          (All they did was teach us how we were physically inferior blah blah blah. Meanwhile we had easily the tightest turn radius of all creatures. Even a chimp cannot turn as tightly. It is something very worth replicating in machinery.

          A dog has to walk in a circle.)

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            @Su_G I learnt it from one or more of Moshe Feldenkrais’s books. It is obvious once pointed out, though.

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            • chemoelectric@masto.aiC chemoelectric@masto.ai

              @Su_G I learnt it from one or more of Moshe Feldenkrais’s books. It is obvious once pointed out, though.

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              @Su_G Of course, he may have learnt it from whoever taught him Judo.

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              • chemoelectric@masto.aiC chemoelectric@masto.ai

                @bit @Daojoan

                There is another reason that should be obvious but isn’t, because for some reason we are never taught this when we are kids.

                Of all large creatures, the human has the tightest turn radius.

                (All they did was teach us how we were physically inferior blah blah blah. Meanwhile we had easily the tightest turn radius of all creatures. Even a chimp cannot turn as tightly. It is something very worth replicating in machinery.

                A dog has to walk in a circle.)

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                @chemoelectric @bit @Daojoan Hence the expression "tilting at windmills".

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                • uecker@mastodon.socialU uecker@mastodon.social

                  @Daojoan The argument is that they should be able to get around in a world designed for humans with two legs, and the argument is plausible.

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                  @uecker @Daojoan
                  (stares in wheelchair accessibility)

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                    @Su_G It is fascinating to watch how four-legged animals turn, once you know they are walking in a circle!

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                    • bms48@mastodon.socialB bms48@mastodon.social

                      @chemoelectric @bit @Daojoan Hence the expression "tilting at windmills".

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                      @bms48 @bit @Daojoan

                      That I do not understand. ‘Tilting’ is lowering your lance. A chimp could lower a lance. 🙂

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                      • bit@ohai.socialB bit@ohai.social

                        @Daojoan There is one reason. Robots will often have to work in a space designed by humans for humans, so they will need to mimic humans. Big companies have the money to create infrastructure that fits robots better. China has entire factories run by robots, where they work 24/7 with lights off. Amazon has warehouses that are completely flat, and riddled with guidelines and tracks on the floor. Not every company will have such infrastructure, so they'll need robots that can climb stairs instead.

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                        @bit @Daojoan well or like Daleks (who are of course Mechanical Turks) eventually learn to levitate.

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                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                          There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                          There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                          A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                          A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

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                          @Daojoan Humans are the only mammal that walks upright on two legs. Humans are not natural to this planet. Discuss.

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                          • fluchtkapsel@nerdculture.deF fluchtkapsel@nerdculture.de

                            @n_dimension @Daojoan I'd say crabs instead of snakes. The crabbification must have some good reasons.

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                            @fluchtkapsel @n_dimension @Daojoan I'll just leave this here... https://store.steampowered.com/app/3526710/Everything_is_Crab_The_Animal_Evolution_Roguelite/

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                            • backfromthedud@mas.toB backfromthedud@mas.to

                              @Daojoan Humans are the only mammal that walks upright on two legs. Humans are not natural to this planet. Discuss.

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                              @BackFromTheDud @Daojoan

                              Mammals account for 0.06% of species on this planet. Being the only biped among such a trivially small group is hardly noteworthy.

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                                @Su_G @Daojoan I don't mind Michael Jackson turning in his grave. Might be worth keeping that robot around just for that purpose.

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                                • bit@ohai.socialB bit@ohai.social

                                  @Daojoan There is one reason. Robots will often have to work in a space designed by humans for humans, so they will need to mimic humans. Big companies have the money to create infrastructure that fits robots better. China has entire factories run by robots, where they work 24/7 with lights off. Amazon has warehouses that are completely flat, and riddled with guidelines and tracks on the floor. Not every company will have such infrastructure, so they'll need robots that can climb stairs instead.

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                                  @bit @Daojoan Legs are going to cost a lot more than wheels.

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                                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                    There’s functionally no engineering reason to put a robot on two legs. Every other form factor is cheaper, more stable, more efficient, and easier to maintain.

                                    There is, however, a very good marketing reason: everyone’s watched Terminator, fear goes viral, and anxiety drives attention.

                                    A warehouse robot is infrastructure.

                                    A humanoid robot is an engagement strategy…

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                                    @Daojoan well, uh, you've got an excellent point there about the fear aspect of duplicating the look of the Terminator or other villainous robots from popular entertainment, but...uh...having spent too much time on Twitter (in previous years) in mudfights with Elon Musk fanboys, let me add that they're also hopeful for humanoid sexbots. there's such a tremendous overpressure of sexual desperation in that crowd...

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