Thanks to the brave journalists from L'Espresso for publishing this picture.
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@fabio Well, the Ukrainians were attacked and are defending themselves. I wouldn't call that a war, either. It's an attack.
And what happens in Palestine is not a war, it's - as you write - a genocide.
@meraord@mastodonsweden.se in most of the wars there's an attacker and a victim. But wars usually happen (mostly) between armies.
This doesn't mean of course that Russia isn't inflicting inexcusable attacks onto the Ukrainian civilian population, nor that the Russian aggression is anywhere near legitimate.
But at least Ukraine has a strong army to respond and inflict casualties to the attacker. Which still makes it a war, at least according to the traditional definition.
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Thanks to the brave journalists from L'Espresso for publishing this picture.
What you see pictured is an Israeli settler armed with an automatic rifle mocking an unarmed Palestinian woman, as he settles her land and eradicates her family's olive trees.
This picture is so powerful that the Israeli ambassador immediately accused L'Espresso to be an AI fake.
When it turned out that it was authentic, he switched his line of attack to the much more predictable (and easy to neutralize) "it's antisemitic".
Pictures like these are worth a thousand words.
They are the embodiment of the banality of evil that permeates every single cell of the illegal Zionist entity.
We should all stop calling it "war". The word "war" involves a clash between armies. The one between Ukraine and Russia is a war.
This is not a war.
This is just barbaric eviction and genocide against unarmed civilians.
The problem with these pictures is that they dehumanize people. Show that picture to a group, and then measure their emotional response when they see a Jewish child being tortured, vs a Palestinian child being tortured.
Other way round, show a photo of the angry face of a Palestinian murdering Jewish children by choking them (Hamas was wise enough not to photo-document that) to a group of people and then measure their emotional response when they see a Palestinian child being tortured, vs a Jewish child being tortured.
Dehumanizing makes these atrocities possible in the first place. If the media — and this includes us on social media — spread this, we amplify this culture of dehumanizing.
If we really want these atrocities to end we should amplify the voices of those who work for peace, who risk their lives and/or their security to end this war, and celebrate their victories.
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The problem with these pictures is that they dehumanize people. Show that picture to a group, and then measure their emotional response when they see a Jewish child being tortured, vs a Palestinian child being tortured.
Other way round, show a photo of the angry face of a Palestinian murdering Jewish children by choking them (Hamas was wise enough not to photo-document that) to a group of people and then measure their emotional response when they see a Palestinian child being tortured, vs a Jewish child being tortured.
Dehumanizing makes these atrocities possible in the first place. If the media — and this includes us on social media — spread this, we amplify this culture of dehumanizing.
If we really want these atrocities to end we should amplify the voices of those who work for peace, who risk their lives and/or their security to end this war, and celebrate their victories.
@jkanev@fediscience.org the man in this picture is the one who dehumanized this woman.
The settlers who harass Palestinians, evict them and regularly capture on video their reactions and desperate cries while the Zionist bulldozers raid to the ground their homes and lives, just to upload those videos to TikTok and brag with their social circles of lunatic losers... Those are the ones who are dehumanizing people. Not even once, every day.
If for once it's them the ones being humiliated, and end up on the cover of a newspaper, I'm perfectly fine with it.
I'm perfectly fine to name and shame too, and I think that that man must be harassed in real life too just like he's spending his own life harassing others. I don't wish him a happy life. I wish him a life where he constantly needs to hide his ugly and hateful face because of the righteous hate that other people feel with him.
We are not dehumanizing these Nazi monsters, they have already dehumanized themselves. We're just objectively reporting how low they are worth as human beings.
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@jkanev@fediscience.org the man in this picture is the one who dehumanized this woman.
The settlers who harass Palestinians, evict them and regularly capture on video their reactions and desperate cries while the Zionist bulldozers raid to the ground their homes and lives, just to upload those videos to TikTok and brag with their social circles of lunatic losers... Those are the ones who are dehumanizing people. Not even once, every day.
If for once it's them the ones being humiliated, and end up on the cover of a newspaper, I'm perfectly fine with it.
I'm perfectly fine to name and shame too, and I think that that man must be harassed in real life too just like he's spending his own life harassing others. I don't wish him a happy life. I wish him a life where he constantly needs to hide his ugly and hateful face because of the righteous hate that other people feel with him.
We are not dehumanizing these Nazi monsters, they have already dehumanized themselves. We're just objectively reporting how low they are worth as human beings.
@fabio
The word "dehumanizing" means to make someone seem non-human to yourself or to someone else.
A soldier can only kill if they picture the person as "the enemy" or "a target". They have to shut down their empathy. The man in the picture has dehumanized the woman. For what he's doing he should feel the full force of the judicial system (which in the west bank is absent, sadly).But to the viewer both these people are anonymous. Neither of us have ever met them. Most people will use them as representatives for the groups "the Palestinians" and "the Jews" or "the Isrealis".
Would you have also shared pictures of angry Palestinians trying to kill children, or raping girls? Or of grinningly loading rocket ramps? Of setting off bombs in Cafés? I hope not, and you shouldn't.
I stand by my opinion. As much as I agree with you that the violence in Gaza and in the West Bank has to stop, circulating pictures like these does not help. Instead, maybe think of supporting groups like Omdimbeyachad, or Women Wage Peace, or Women Of The Sun, and others.
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@fabio
The word "dehumanizing" means to make someone seem non-human to yourself or to someone else.
A soldier can only kill if they picture the person as "the enemy" or "a target". They have to shut down their empathy. The man in the picture has dehumanized the woman. For what he's doing he should feel the full force of the judicial system (which in the west bank is absent, sadly).But to the viewer both these people are anonymous. Neither of us have ever met them. Most people will use them as representatives for the groups "the Palestinians" and "the Jews" or "the Isrealis".
Would you have also shared pictures of angry Palestinians trying to kill children, or raping girls? Or of grinningly loading rocket ramps? Of setting off bombs in Cafés? I hope not, and you shouldn't.
I stand by my opinion. As much as I agree with you that the violence in Gaza and in the West Bank has to stop, circulating pictures like these does not help. Instead, maybe think of supporting groups like Omdimbeyachad, or Women Wage Peace, or Women Of The Sun, and others.
@jkanev@fediscience.org I'm sorry but this interaction starts to have the uncomfortable bitter taste of whataboutism.
For what he's doing he should feel the full force of the judicial system
We're talking of the norm here, not of the exception.
The man you see in that picture is not a random rotten apple in the basket.
He's the representation of what Israeli settlers have been doing to Palestinians for decades.
Israel is a country founded by evil people like the guy you see depicted here who have spent decades kicking Palestinians out of their lands, killing them, raping them, setting their farms on fire, and even playing darts with pictures of murdered children (search for "wedding of hate").
All those who were guilty of such acts must be punished, all of them should be called for what they are (illegal squatters rather than "settlers"), and everyone who settled on stolen land must be evicted. Only then justice can be achieved.
There have been countless videos on the Internet showing how ruthless the evictions in the West Bank are. Yet nobody cared until this picture was published on the cover of a magazine.
To the viewer both these people are anonymous. Neither of us have ever met them. Most people will use them as representatives for the groups "the Palestinians" and "the Jews" or "the Isrealis".
Did you move the same objection against the famous picture of the little Vietnamese girl escaping naked from the village behind her being turned into ashes by the American napalm?
Did you object that it depicts all Vietnamese as victims and all Americans as murderers?
Pictures of conflicts are supposed to capture moments in time and provide viewers with a snapshot of facts and feelings.
Of course I don't know either of the people depicted in this picture. Does it matter? The video where this frame was taken from is publicly available. That guy has actually done awful things. Do I have to know him personally to say that he's a scumbag who deserves to be hung by his balls and covered in spit?
Would you have also shared pictures of angry Palestinians trying to kill children, or raping girls? Or of grinningly loading rocket ramps? Of setting off bombs in Cafés? I hope not, and you shouldn't.
What exactly are you talking about? Are you talking about some episodes in particular or just throwing some hypothetical whataboutism in the mix?
For context, I hate Hamas from the bottom of my heart, and if there's any photographic evidence of something awful that they did, and I feel like it should be shared, then rest assured that I'll share it.
But remember that this picture was taken from the West Bank. There's no Hamas there and no other recognized terrorist group. Only civilians being abused.
Instead, maybe think of supporting groups like Omdimbeyachad, or Women Wage Peace, or Women Of The Sun, and others.
Have you checked on my profile which groups I'm part of?
We are among the people in the West who have done the most for the oppressed Palestinian people in the past year.
We are in contact with them every single day.
We have saved lives, helped journalistic content get published, helped with evacuation programs, provided them with moral support and facilitated payments to them.
I'm definitely not a random hater on the Internet who posts a picture with the sole purpose of stirring up hatred.
I don't think that neither me nor anyone on GazaVerified deserves to be lectured on how to increase our reach and impact.
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@fabio
The word "dehumanizing" means to make someone seem non-human to yourself or to someone else.
A soldier can only kill if they picture the person as "the enemy" or "a target". They have to shut down their empathy. The man in the picture has dehumanized the woman. For what he's doing he should feel the full force of the judicial system (which in the west bank is absent, sadly).But to the viewer both these people are anonymous. Neither of us have ever met them. Most people will use them as representatives for the groups "the Palestinians" and "the Jews" or "the Isrealis".
Would you have also shared pictures of angry Palestinians trying to kill children, or raping girls? Or of grinningly loading rocket ramps? Of setting off bombs in Cafés? I hope not, and you shouldn't.
I stand by my opinion. As much as I agree with you that the violence in Gaza and in the West Bank has to stop, circulating pictures like these does not help. Instead, maybe think of supporting groups like Omdimbeyachad, or Women Wage Peace, or Women Of The Sun, and others.
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@menos @fabio These pictures are nothing new. We've seen them hundreds of times. News stories about violence sell well. There is no knowledge gap here, only repetition. But -- how many Israeli peace organisations can you name? Did you see the big protests in Tel Aviv? How many Palestinian peace organisations do you know? Did you hear about the peace conference that filled a stadium? Those are the forces that could actually settle the conflict. Lets support them.
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@menos @fabio These pictures are nothing new. We've seen them hundreds of times. News stories about violence sell well. There is no knowledge gap here, only repetition. But -- how many Israeli peace organisations can you name? Did you see the big protests in Tel Aviv? How many Palestinian peace organisations do you know? Did you hear about the peace conference that filled a stadium? Those are the forces that could actually settle the conflict. Lets support them.
@jkanev@fediscience.org @menos@todon.eu the fact that this picture is circulating so much and moving so many people probably means that not many saw how the colonial project actually looks like in all of its ugliness.
Sure, I saw videos of bulldozers uprooting olive trees before, as well as aggressive settlers threatening land owners with guns. But not many of those images made it to the cover of a magazine, and very few journalists dared to call them with the right name ("abuse"), rather than edulcolorating them as "clashes with settlers".
Btw, no peace conference ever filled a stadium in Palestine because there are no stadiums left in Gaza. Actually there's not even a building standing without severe damages in Gaza. But a few talks with our friends on gaza-verified can probably also give you an idea of where they stand. Some of them are actually the ones who are troubled the most when some generalizations or gratuitous hatred are moved towards Jews.
And the recent pro-peace protests in Israel have been met by harsh police backlash - which is another sign of how much that country started resembling more an ethno-religious fascist regime rather than a democracy.
Of course we support the forces that push for peace. I have shared a lot of content from notable Jewish personalities who have openly spoken up against this genocide. And many of our friends in Gaza have shared harsh words towards Hamas. Boosting the voices that support peace doesn't mean that those who keep spreading the seeds of hate shouldn't be publicly named and shamed. The process of peace involves showing both the faces of the coin.
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@jkanev@fediscience.org @menos@todon.eu the fact that this picture is circulating so much and moving so many people probably means that not many saw how the colonial project actually looks like in all of its ugliness.
Sure, I saw videos of bulldozers uprooting olive trees before, as well as aggressive settlers threatening land owners with guns. But not many of those images made it to the cover of a magazine, and very few journalists dared to call them with the right name ("abuse"), rather than edulcolorating them as "clashes with settlers".
Btw, no peace conference ever filled a stadium in Palestine because there are no stadiums left in Gaza. Actually there's not even a building standing without severe damages in Gaza. But a few talks with our friends on gaza-verified can probably also give you an idea of where they stand. Some of them are actually the ones who are troubled the most when some generalizations or gratuitous hatred are moved towards Jews.
And the recent pro-peace protests in Israel have been met by harsh police backlash - which is another sign of how much that country started resembling more an ethno-religious fascist regime rather than a democracy.
Of course we support the forces that push for peace. I have shared a lot of content from notable Jewish personalities who have openly spoken up against this genocide. And many of our friends in Gaza have shared harsh words towards Hamas. Boosting the voices that support peace doesn't mean that those who keep spreading the seeds of hate shouldn't be publicly named and shamed. The process of peace involves showing both the faces of the coin.
Most people intuitively sense that there is something racist about this image, but lack the language to name it!
Here: "antizionism is a racist, obsessive gaze."
The essence of racism is using an individual to indict an entire group.
Often in history, racists were euphoric when their hateful caricatures achieved circulation. That's the nature of a hate mob.
One day, you and your entire racist hate movement will answer for this. Something to be looked forward to, or dreaded, depending on your perspective.
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Most people intuitively sense that there is something racist about this image, but lack the language to name it!
Here: "antizionism is a racist, obsessive gaze."
The essence of racism is using an individual to indict an entire group.
Often in history, racists were euphoric when their hateful caricatures achieved circulation. That's the nature of a hate mob.
One day, you and your entire racist hate movement will answer for this. Something to be looked forward to, or dreaded, depending on your perspective.
@hedgerows@piaille.fr @jkanev@fediscience.org @menos@todon.eu can you illustrate what screw in your head went loose so I can try to fix it?
What you see in the original picture is an illegal settler kicking a woman out of her own legitimate land, a land recognized by all UN resolutions and by basically all the countries in the world as such.
It's not a caricature. It's that motherfucker's actual face while he mocks an unarmed woman that he's kicking out of her own land while wearing a rifle.
It must be condemned. Period. Either you say "yes, that motherfucker is a scumbag", or I will call you a scumbag.
What you posted, instead, are, indeed caricatures. I did not post them. In fact, I condemn them. Dehumanizing a human being is always bad, even when that human being has already done his best to dehumanize himself.
And the hate doesn't originate from our side. The hate originates from people who have lost so much their moral compass and sense of humanity that they've turned into beasts who feel entitled to bully, mock and dehumanize other human beings whose only fault is to live on a land that they want to grab in its entirety and without compromises.
Hating the wicked is a civic duty. It means to support the righteous.
We have the righteous duty of detesting you, your genocidal colonial program and everything that you represent.
You and the Kahanist terrorists that you support will be called accountable by history. Your names will be damned and cursed. Your own grandchildren will be ashamed of you and spit on your graves. Unlike you, we are sitting on the right side of history, and your cheap propaganda is expired.
