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#askfedi Hiii, I'm trying to reverse engineer a PCB.

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    #askfedi Hiii, I'm trying to reverse engineer a PCB. But doing this by hand with a pen and paper is not working out. Does anyone know of any good free tools to help me trace both sides and somehow end up with a shematic?

    I'd love to be able to inject signals with a ESP to remote control the system makeing my old soap dispenser into a plant watering system.

    #reverseengineering #pcb #electronics

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    • lumiya@lgbtqia.spaceL lumiya@lgbtqia.space

      #askfedi Hiii, I'm trying to reverse engineer a PCB. But doing this by hand with a pen and paper is not working out. Does anyone know of any good free tools to help me trace both sides and somehow end up with a shematic?

      I'd love to be able to inject signals with a ESP to remote control the system makeing my old soap dispenser into a plant watering system.

      #reverseengineering #pcb #electronics

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      @lumiya First thought: XY Problem?

      Second thought: elections? or #electronics

      Third thought: what are you using now? Literally pen and paper?

      Have you tried KiCad with an imported set of photos?

      Or krita/gimp/inkscape might be better than paper and pen, especially if you have a graphics tablet not just a mouse.

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        @lumiya First thought: XY Problem?

        Second thought: elections? or #electronics

        Third thought: what are you using now? Literally pen and paper?

        Have you tried KiCad with an imported set of photos?

        Or krita/gimp/inkscape might be better than paper and pen, especially if you have a graphics tablet not just a mouse.

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        XY problem - Wikipedia

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        #xyproblem

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        @poleguy @lumiya I second inkscape as a viable tool for that. Looking at the low complexity of the circuit, I’d think though that it’s not necessary to really reverse engineer much of it to achieve what you’re trying to do.

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        • lumiya@lgbtqia.spaceL lumiya@lgbtqia.space

          #askfedi Hiii, I'm trying to reverse engineer a PCB. But doing this by hand with a pen and paper is not working out. Does anyone know of any good free tools to help me trace both sides and somehow end up with a shematic?

          I'd love to be able to inject signals with a ESP to remote control the system makeing my old soap dispenser into a plant watering system.

          #reverseengineering #pcb #electronics

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          @lumiya https://hackaday.com/2020/12/01/remoticon-video-how-to-reverse-engineer-a-pcb/

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          • mxshift@social.treehouse.systemsM mxshift@social.treehouse.systems

            @lumiya https://hackaday.com/2020/12/01/remoticon-video-how-to-reverse-engineer-a-pcb/

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            @mxshift That's an interesting Workshop, Thanks for the link.
            Especially the searching of the Chip marking was something i did not think of.

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            • jaseg@chaos.socialJ jaseg@chaos.social

              @poleguy @lumiya I second inkscape as a viable tool for that. Looking at the low complexity of the circuit, I’d think though that it’s not necessary to really reverse engineer much of it to achieve what you’re trying to do.

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              @jaseg @poleguy

              I'm not literally using pen & paper i was using inkscape to try to mark things and follow traces. Though it quickly got to complicated and i lost the overview and made a lot of mistakes. The Graphics tablet would be a great addition though 🤔

              Regarding the XY Problem....
              I think your right i don't need such a Tool to solve my issue. My interests just steered my into that direction 😖
              The complexity is not high, but the right toolset is often a benefit to learn for future projects.

              In the meantime i also found a nice interesting tool that helps with alignment and can even output a Net-list (i still need to look further into how it works though)
              Maybe interesting:
              https://pcb.etaras.com/

              And yea my brain just did not notice the wrong hashtag it just autocompleted it to electronics in my head 🙈

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              • lumiya@lgbtqia.spaceL lumiya@lgbtqia.space

                @jaseg @poleguy

                I'm not literally using pen & paper i was using inkscape to try to mark things and follow traces. Though it quickly got to complicated and i lost the overview and made a lot of mistakes. The Graphics tablet would be a great addition though 🤔

                Regarding the XY Problem....
                I think your right i don't need such a Tool to solve my issue. My interests just steered my into that direction 😖
                The complexity is not high, but the right toolset is often a benefit to learn for future projects.

                In the meantime i also found a nice interesting tool that helps with alignment and can even output a Net-list (i still need to look further into how it works though)
                Maybe interesting:
                https://pcb.etaras.com/

                And yea my brain just did not notice the wrong hashtag it just autocompleted it to electronics in my head 🙈

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                @lumiya @poleguy That tool looks promising at first, but it doesn’t seem to actually do what the website claims it does. It also seems to be AI slop, so that isn’t too surprising.

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                • lumiya@lgbtqia.spaceL lumiya@lgbtqia.space

                  @jaseg @poleguy

                  I'm not literally using pen & paper i was using inkscape to try to mark things and follow traces. Though it quickly got to complicated and i lost the overview and made a lot of mistakes. The Graphics tablet would be a great addition though 🤔

                  Regarding the XY Problem....
                  I think your right i don't need such a Tool to solve my issue. My interests just steered my into that direction 😖
                  The complexity is not high, but the right toolset is often a benefit to learn for future projects.

                  In the meantime i also found a nice interesting tool that helps with alignment and can even output a Net-list (i still need to look further into how it works though)
                  Maybe interesting:
                  https://pcb.etaras.com/

                  And yea my brain just did not notice the wrong hashtag it just autocompleted it to electronics in my head 🙈

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                  @lumiya @jaseg I would start with a functional or black-box analysis.

                  Is there a button you can press that causes the soap to come out?

                  Can you just solder on to the contacts of that button and control that with a transistor/relay/logic level out from an ESP?

                  If you want to reverse-engineer the board, that's a fine exercise, but not likely necessary if all you want is to automate a button press. A solenoid could even do it.

                  I use switchbots on some things:

                  Amazon.com

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                  • poleguy@mastodon.socialP poleguy@mastodon.social

                    @lumiya @jaseg I would start with a functional or black-box analysis.

                    Is there a button you can press that causes the soap to come out?

                    Can you just solder on to the contacts of that button and control that with a transistor/relay/logic level out from an ESP?

                    If you want to reverse-engineer the board, that's a fine exercise, but not likely necessary if all you want is to automate a button press. A solenoid could even do it.

                    I use switchbots on some things:

                    Amazon.com

                    favicon

                    (www.amazon.com)

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                    @poleguy @jaseg
                    Yea I think I'll try that.
                    There is no button it's based on infrared. But I'll take a look and see what I find out with the tips and tools.

                    Also I think I see it partially as an exercise

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