Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
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@AndrewRadev Yes: complete, unwavering commitment to backwards compatibility has long been one of the things I’ve most appreciated about Vim, too. It’s one of the main (legitimate) reasons I’m still not on Neovim.
@AndrewRadev @normalmode It actually is the reason I've switched back from Neovim after years.
Now I need to reconsider mu editor, the main building block of my work and one of the biggest ones in my private life... So sad.
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> Thank you for the detailed feedback! I've addressed all the issues:
> Thank you for the feedback! I agree that following the Vim 8+ naming convention makes sense.
> Thank you for the feedback on naming!
> Thanks for the suggestion! After thinking about this more, I believe repeat_set() / repeat_get() is the right choice:
> Thank you for the feedback. A brief clarification.This isn't even rewriting his own thoughts in whatever bland style the chatbot can muster, it's just dumping people's comments into the bot and copy-pasting whatever it shits out.
This is The Future that boosters want: An endless bikeshedding session where agreeable chatbots trade excessively polite thank-yous and screenfuls of bullet-pointed lists. A bunch of children, getting paid to play around with tamagotchis.
What a bleak fucking future to dream of.
@AndrewRadev@hachyderm.io I used to think how much nicer the internet in general and FOSS communities specifically would be if people were a bit warmer and nicer to each other. Acknowledging others' contributions and ideas, thanking each other for good points etc. instead of the popular attempts to outnerd each other on technicalities.
Should've been more careful about what I wish for I guess... -
Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev Don't worry, just tell Claude “yeah, but I did this with intention” and it will respond with “oh my bad, I can totally see now, and my initial concern was wrong”.
I once tried to put my own code into Claude to see if it can find bugs or do pre-review. Some suggestions are plain wrong, other times they just don't make sense. And each time you highlight them to the LLM or tell it that you did it on purpose, it'll just says "oopsie my bad you're right".
Not that useful.
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev Like I'm not religiously against LLM's at all times. Even though I do think they do more harm than good, there are situations I'm fine by them existing.
But Jesus, willingness people are to put themselves in the position of a reverse centaur is just painful. It's a complete lack of care of the craft. The fact that VIM's lead developer seems to buy into this is concerning to say the least…
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
Time to tell them to fork off?
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev I'd like to read the thread could you help me with a link?
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@AndrewRadev I'd like to read the thread could you help me with a link?
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev Is neovim better in this regard?
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev just to see if I understand. Are you having an issue with using Claude code for working with code or with the fact that he addresses claude like a person?
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@teohhanhui @AndrewRadev thank you
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@AndrewRadev@hachyderm.io I used to think how much nicer the internet in general and FOSS communities specifically would be if people were a bit warmer and nicer to each other. Acknowledging others' contributions and ideas, thanking each other for good points etc. instead of the popular attempts to outnerd each other on technicalities.
Should've been more careful about what I wish for I guess...@kunev "There, I fixed it"
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> Thank you for the detailed feedback! I've addressed all the issues:
> Thank you for the feedback! I agree that following the Vim 8+ naming convention makes sense.
> Thank you for the feedback on naming!
> Thanks for the suggestion! After thinking about this more, I believe repeat_set() / repeat_get() is the right choice:
> Thank you for the feedback. A brief clarification.This isn't even rewriting his own thoughts in whatever bland style the chatbot can muster, it's just dumping people's comments into the bot and copy-pasting whatever it shits out.
This is The Future that boosters want: An endless bikeshedding session where agreeable chatbots trade excessively polite thank-yous and screenfuls of bullet-pointed lists. A bunch of children, getting paid to play around with tamagotchis.
What a bleak fucking future to dream of.
@AndrewRadev everyuone I talked to when the dumbass AI boom started told me not to worry but I knew straight away vibe coding trash will make things crap. Seeing people I used to look up to when I was a young developer are now AI zombies. My current, thankfully non-dev, work is impacted a lot with certain vendors releasing updates that break a lot of basic functionality. What a f-ing mess
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev ugh.
I've been using vim for like.. 15 years? I thought it was unlikely to get caught up in the fad-chasing that seems to affect so many other editors.
I do not want to have to switch, but now I feel like I might have to -
@kunev "There, I fixed it"
misschien iets voor jullie @Noortjevee
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This is in a PR where Shougo, another long-time contributor, communicates entirely in walls of unparseable AI slop text: https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413
What a pathetic state after decades of active, thoughtful work. "I asked the chatbot how to write this code", "Well, I asked my chatbot, and "he" doesn't like it". What a fucking embarrassment.
@AndrewRadev so many fucking comments are just abvious unedited ai output holy fuck -
> Thank you for the detailed feedback! I've addressed all the issues:
> Thank you for the feedback! I agree that following the Vim 8+ naming convention makes sense.
> Thank you for the feedback on naming!
> Thanks for the suggestion! After thinking about this more, I believe repeat_set() / repeat_get() is the right choice:
> Thank you for the feedback. A brief clarification.This isn't even rewriting his own thoughts in whatever bland style the chatbot can muster, it's just dumping people's comments into the bot and copy-pasting whatever it shits out.
This is The Future that boosters want: An endless bikeshedding session where agreeable chatbots trade excessively polite thank-yous and screenfuls of bullet-pointed lists. A bunch of children, getting paid to play around with tamagotchis.
What a bleak fucking future to dream of.
@AndrewRadev Sounds like every corporate/business email I’ve ever received. I fucking hate that style of communicating. Maybe it’s just me, but I never say thank you in an email unless I really mean it!
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
@AndrewRadev This might be what it takes for me to switch to Neovim, assuming they're not going the same way.
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@catch56 @AndrewRadev i can't put my finger on why but it feels like shougo is using ai to create the original issue and hold conversations. I don't see why chrisbra wouldn't do the same to tell him to fuck off.
Why would he spend the effort to read through something that someone else couldn't even be bothered to write?
Or am I wrong?
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Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind
Never trust anyone who uses their toddler as their avatar. Ever.
