Primo.
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Primo.
what. the fuck.
I did a search for the words "Turdus migratorius" (the binomial name of the American robin) and limited to books, online.
The first result was by someone with the first name "Robin" with the word "American" in the title, about literature. (I didn't screenshot it for reasons; you may not want to redo this experiment verbatim.)
The fifth result was the first that had anything to do with American robins.
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Primo.
what. the fuck.
I did a search for the words "Turdus migratorius" (the binomial name of the American robin) and limited to books, online.
The first result was by someone with the first name "Robin" with the word "American" in the title, about literature. (I didn't screenshot it for reasons; you may not want to redo this experiment verbatim.)
The fifth result was the first that had anything to do with American robins.
Hopefully in before someone explains searching to me, an experienced library technologist: yes, I can click a button to exclude "American robin" from the results, if I notice it. And of course, I can put my search terms in quotation marks. As a librarian, I know this. A novice searcher wouldn't, though.
It *prioritized the synonym, split across two metadata fields, over my search term in one field.*
Their ranking algorithm sucks.
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Primo.
what. the fuck.
I did a search for the words "Turdus migratorius" (the binomial name of the American robin) and limited to books, online.
The first result was by someone with the first name "Robin" with the word "American" in the title, about literature. (I didn't screenshot it for reasons; you may not want to redo this experiment verbatim.)
The fifth result was the first that had anything to do with American robins.
@coral same reason, some years back, an archivist’s search for Marchand, as a proper name, was turning up high ranked results for Romeo and Juliet
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Primo.
what. the fuck.
I did a search for the words "Turdus migratorius" (the binomial name of the American robin) and limited to books, online.
The first result was by someone with the first name "Robin" with the word "American" in the title, about literature. (I didn't screenshot it for reasons; you may not want to redo this experiment verbatim.)
The fifth result was the first that had anything to do with American robins.
Bonus content, in apology: this is how I remember (will, in fact, never ever forget) the binomial for American robins — sorry, robins
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Bonus content, in apology: this is how I remember (will, in fact, never ever forget) the binomial for American robins — sorry, robins
Bonus-bonus, because I was hoping to find that image online instead of on my phone (yeah, of course I keep it in my saved images, have you met me??), and I ran across this:
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Hopefully in before someone explains searching to me, an experienced library technologist: yes, I can click a button to exclude "American robin" from the results, if I notice it. And of course, I can put my search terms in quotation marks. As a librarian, I know this. A novice searcher wouldn't, though.
It *prioritized the synonym, split across two metadata fields, over my search term in one field.*
Their ranking algorithm sucks.
@coral speaking of search algorithms and search ranking and even attention space in our own heads, I know another librarian who, looking to watch a particular classic B movie failed to look for it in Kanopy, a US based library media service provider, where it was.
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@coral speaking of search algorithms and search ranking and even attention space in our own heads, I know another librarian who, looking to watch a particular classic B movie failed to look for it in Kanopy, a US based library media service provider, where it was.
@perigee yeah, there are so many vendors, it's easy to forget to go looking for things in all the places
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Hopefully in before someone explains searching to me, an experienced library technologist: yes, I can click a button to exclude "American robin" from the results, if I notice it. And of course, I can put my search terms in quotation marks. As a librarian, I know this. A novice searcher wouldn't, though.
It *prioritized the synonym, split across two metadata fields, over my search term in one field.*
Their ranking algorithm sucks.
@coral oh wow, I am fascinated by this -- I once had something similar happen when DuckDuckGo got too "expand to related phrases" under the hood and then got upset it couldn't find many results with the related phrase it was looking for.
Ruth [☕️ 👩🏻💻📚✍🏻🧵🪡🍵] (@platypus@glammr.us)
Attached: 1 image Ok #DuckDuckGo -- I am really curious about this one! I searched for: david sedaris blood work because I wanted to see if the piece was online anywhere. The result I got on both my phone's Firefox Focus and my work laptop's Firefox says "not many results contain test, search for david sedaris blood 'test'?" but the word "test" is not anywhere in my query. Searching for: lab blood work does not get me this. Nor do other things I've tried.
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@coral oh wow, I am fascinated by this -- I once had something similar happen when DuckDuckGo got too "expand to related phrases" under the hood and then got upset it couldn't find many results with the related phrase it was looking for.
Ruth [☕️ 👩🏻💻📚✍🏻🧵🪡🍵] (@platypus@glammr.us)
Attached: 1 image Ok #DuckDuckGo -- I am really curious about this one! I searched for: david sedaris blood work because I wanted to see if the piece was online anywhere. The result I got on both my phone's Firefox Focus and my work laptop's Firefox says "not many results contain test, search for david sedaris blood 'test'?" but the word "test" is not anywhere in my query. Searching for: lab blood work does not get me this. Nor do other things I've tried.
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@coral Summon seems to handle this ok https://psu.summon.serialssolutions.com/#!/search?pn=1&ho=t&include.ft.matches=t&l=en&q=turdus%20migratorius
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@coral Summon seems to handle this ok https://psu.summon.serialssolutions.com/#!/search?pn=1&ho=t&include.ft.matches=t&l=en&q=turdus%20migratorius
@platypus I've been quietly angry that we have Primo instead of Summon (yeah, I know Summon isn't made to be a catalog, but, I mean, Clarivate HAS THE TECHNOLOGY), because I had so many fewer problems with Summon, even when it was new
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Primo.
what. the fuck.
I did a search for the words "Turdus migratorius" (the binomial name of the American robin) and limited to books, online.
The first result was by someone with the first name "Robin" with the word "American" in the title, about literature. (I didn't screenshot it for reasons; you may not want to redo this experiment verbatim.)
The fifth result was the first that had anything to do with American robins.
@coral Fascinating! Naturally I tried it, and my results differ a bit from what you're seeing. While my results focus on records with Robin/American Robin rather than turdus migratorius*, my first 11 results have to do with the bird. Starting with result 12 it goes off the rails and away from birds.
*Because the search automatically uses synonyms from authority records. Also why you get Great Britain results when searching for Ireland.
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@coral Fascinating! Naturally I tried it, and my results differ a bit from what you're seeing. While my results focus on records with Robin/American Robin rather than turdus migratorius*, my first 11 results have to do with the bird. Starting with result 12 it goes off the rails and away from birds.
*Because the search automatically uses synonyms from authority records. Also why you get Great Britain results when searching for Ireland.
@calimae There's a possibility that we have some setting toggled that we shouldn't.
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@calimae There's a possibility that we have some setting toggled that we shouldn't.
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@calimae There's a possibility that we have some setting toggled that we shouldn't.
@coral Very possible, and time-consuming to figure out which one!
Maybe the boosting? We've been pretty hands-off with that config... but who knows. Ultimately Primo does as Primo wants and only occasionally can I shepherd it in a more preferable direction. -
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Bonus-bonus, because I was hoping to find that image online instead of on my phone (yeah, of course I keep it in my saved images, have you met me??), and I ran across this:
@coral turdus migratorius? Isn't that just called flushing?
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