NEVER EVER "#DEBATE" #FASCISTS!
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@kkarhan That very point of view worries me the most about modern leftists. So basically, if for some opinion or some phrase I get added to the list of "fascists", I am automatically deprived of my right to debate and my right to express my opinion, which leads to "there are two opinions: ours and wrong". Isn't it fascism though?
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@kkarhan That very point of view worries me the most about modern leftists. So basically, if for some opinion or some phrase I get added to the list of "fascists", I am automatically deprived of my right to debate and my right to express my opinion, which leads to "there are two opinions: ours and wrong". Isn't it fascism though?
@menelion do yourself a favour and watch it first in full...
- I myself don't have time to argue bad faith arguments all day.
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@kkarhan Fortasse non spectandum est YouTube, quod eos fovet?
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#DebatingFascists is more foolish than building a sandcastle at low tide beach waterline, because at least the #sandcastle delivers one with intangible benefits, like enjoyment, teamwork, creativity and/or just having a good time with other people.
- Whereas if one is #debating #fascists, one's wasting lifetime and -energy and only enriching and #normalizing #fascist takes and #fascism in general as something that is "#debateable" when in fact it's not and engaging in such a debate is a net and gross negative for anyone but the fascists!
- The only way to stop their "#Narrative" of being "#canceled" is to leave them alone, gloating in their #Hatespeech as noone is #platforming that shit because one doesn't do that - period!
- Whereas if one is #debating #fascists, one's wasting lifetime and -energy and only enriching and #normalizing #fascist takes and #fascism in general as something that is "#debateable" when in fact it's not and engaging in such a debate is a net and gross negative for anyone but the fascists!
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#DebatingFascists is more foolish than building a sandcastle at low tide beach waterline, because at least the #sandcastle delivers one with intangible benefits, like enjoyment, teamwork, creativity and/or just having a good time with other people.
- Whereas if one is #debating #fascists, one's wasting lifetime and -energy and only enriching and #normalizing #fascist takes and #fascism in general as something that is "#debateable" when in fact it's not and engaging in such a debate is a net and gross negative for anyone but the fascists!
- The only way to stop their "#Narrative" of being "#canceled" is to leave them alone, gloating in their #Hatespeech as noone is #platforming that shit because one doesn't do that - period!
And thus the only winning move is not to debate with them!
- But to educate about them and NOT allow their narrative to be presented as anything else but #fascist bullshit that is so incompatible with a free & democratic society as #ForcedLabour, #Slavery and #DeathPenalty!
#debate #politricks #philosophy #politics #USpol #UKpol #EUpol #fascism #propaganda
- Whereas if one is #debating #fascists, one's wasting lifetime and -energy and only enriching and #normalizing #fascist takes and #fascism in general as something that is "#debateable" when in fact it's not and engaging in such a debate is a net and gross negative for anyone but the fascists!
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And thus the only winning move is not to debate with them!
- But to educate about them and NOT allow their narrative to be presented as anything else but #fascist bullshit that is so incompatible with a free & democratic society as #ForcedLabour, #Slavery and #DeathPenalty!
#debate #politricks #philosophy #politics #USpol #UKpol #EUpol #fascism #propaganda
The only correct reaction to #fascists and #fascism is to instantly and nonverbally yeet them off premises!
- Anything else is undue leniency and normalizing their shit!
- And if firing fascists as customers/employers/clients/visitors/politicians/birth family members/... is too radical, then you are just as good as the ~60M people who claimed to not have known anything about the industrialized #democide and #genocide being perpertrated in in #Germany during #WW2, despite the need to have several thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people being complicit in it.
- Cuz the people who made Cyclone B knew who ordered it and what for! They knew that the amounts they produced were enough to eradicate all rodents Between Paris, Stockholm, Moscow and Rome and that is wasn't used as a pesticide!
- Inaction makes you normalize their #hatespeech by being a #platform and an #audience! And if you can't yeet them, then use your #BodilyAutonomy and #GTFO!
#debate #politricks #philosophy #politics #USpol #UKpol #EUpol #propaganda
- But to educate about them and NOT allow their narrative to be presented as anything else but #fascist bullshit that is so incompatible with a free & democratic society as #ForcedLabour, #Slavery and #DeathPenalty!
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R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
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The only correct reaction to #fascists and #fascism is to instantly and nonverbally yeet them off premises!
- Anything else is undue leniency and normalizing their shit!
- And if firing fascists as customers/employers/clients/visitors/politicians/birth family members/... is too radical, then you are just as good as the ~60M people who claimed to not have known anything about the industrialized #democide and #genocide being perpertrated in in #Germany during #WW2, despite the need to have several thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people being complicit in it.
- Cuz the people who made Cyclone B knew who ordered it and what for! They knew that the amounts they produced were enough to eradicate all rodents Between Paris, Stockholm, Moscow and Rome and that is wasn't used as a pesticide!
- Inaction makes you normalize their #hatespeech by being a #platform and an #audience! And if you can't yeet them, then use your #BodilyAutonomy and #GTFO!
#debate #politricks #philosophy #politics #USpol #UKpol #EUpol #propaganda
Or to put it in simple words: Would you allow some random asshole to crash your party?
- OFC not, you'd at best tell them: "GTFO or I'll call the police because you are trespassing *RIGHT NOW!"
- Do this more regularly - for real - even if it's hard!
I did that on a party recently and just literally ignored someone's existance at said event entirely!
- Because said person said bullshit that I'll neither forgive nor forget!
- And completely isolating end excluding said person worked well, they quickly GTFO'd!
#debate #politricks #philosophy #politics #USpol #UKpol #EUpol #propaganda #fascism #hatespeech
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#DebatingFascists is more foolish than building a sandcastle at low tide beach waterline, because at least the #sandcastle delivers one with intangible benefits, like enjoyment, teamwork, creativity and/or just having a good time with other people.
- Whereas if one is #debating #fascists, one's wasting lifetime and -energy and only enriching and #normalizing #fascist takes and #fascism in general as something that is "#debateable" when in fact it's not and engaging in such a debate is a net and gross negative for anyone but the fascists!
- The only way to stop their "#Narrative" of being "#canceled" is to leave them alone, gloating in their #Hatespeech as noone is #platforming that shit because one doesn't do that - period!
@kkarhan although I would agree in a perfect timeline, I must note that there exists a lot of people with good intentions or bad ability to ignore them.
So, I think another strategy serves best for both types of people : Attacking and confronting them directly, not necessarily with facts; make unity among antifascists and make antifascist propaganda. This way both kind of people can make compromise together, since the ones that can't ignore can attack, and you can see them get smaller.
- Whereas if one is #debating #fascists, one's wasting lifetime and -energy and only enriching and #normalizing #fascist takes and #fascism in general as something that is "#debateable" when in fact it's not and engaging in such a debate is a net and gross negative for anyone but the fascists!
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@kkarhan although I would agree in a perfect timeline, I must note that there exists a lot of people with good intentions or bad ability to ignore them.
So, I think another strategy serves best for both types of people : Attacking and confronting them directly, not necessarily with facts; make unity among antifascists and make antifascist propaganda. This way both kind of people can make compromise together, since the ones that can't ignore can attack, and you can see them get smaller.
@kkarhan nonetheless good post
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Or to put it in simple words: Would you allow some random asshole to crash your party?
- OFC not, you'd at best tell them: "GTFO or I'll call the police because you are trespassing *RIGHT NOW!"
- Do this more regularly - for real - even if it's hard!
I did that on a party recently and just literally ignored someone's existance at said event entirely!
- Because said person said bullshit that I'll neither forgive nor forget!
- And completely isolating end excluding said person worked well, they quickly GTFO'd!
#debate #politricks #philosophy #politics #USpol #UKpol #EUpol #propaganda #fascism #hatespeech
Make no mistake, the only reason why #fascists don't attack your human rights YET is because they need you as a #UsefulIdiot and/or know, they'd not be able to get away with that, because they are #cowards and that unlike [multi-]marginalized people, they may actually face #accountability and #consequences for their #genocidal and #democidal shit.
#debate #politricks #philosophy #politics #USpol #UKpol #EUpol #propaganda #fascism #hatespeech
- OFC not, you'd at best tell them: "GTFO or I'll call the police because you are trespassing *RIGHT NOW!"
