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The Green Party's key manifesto pledges include:-Bringing forward the UK’s net zero target and investing billions in wind, solar & home insulation

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  • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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    The Green Party's key manifesto pledges include:-
    Bringing forward the UK’s net zero target and investing billions in wind, solar & home insulation.
    Ending new North Sea oil & gas licences and blocking new fossil fuel infrastructure.
    Introducing a wealth tax on the richest households.
    New national rent controls and expanding public ownership of rail, water & energy.
    Proportional representation for general elections.
    Cancelling Trident nuclear weapons & scrapping the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

    simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS bez_lightyear@crispsandwi.chB disputatore@masto.ptD cppguy@infosec.spaceC 4 Replies Last reply
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    • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

      The Green Party's key manifesto pledges include:-
      Bringing forward the UK’s net zero target and investing billions in wind, solar & home insulation.
      Ending new North Sea oil & gas licences and blocking new fossil fuel infrastructure.
      Introducing a wealth tax on the richest households.
      New national rent controls and expanding public ownership of rail, water & energy.
      Proportional representation for general elections.
      Cancelling Trident nuclear weapons & scrapping the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

      simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
      simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
      simonzerafa@infosec.exchange
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      @kibcol1049

      Oh well. They were doing well until the last item.

      epistatacadam@toot.walesE bashstkid@mastodon.onlineB walrus@toot.walesW 3 Replies Last reply
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      • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

        The Green Party's key manifesto pledges include:-
        Bringing forward the UK’s net zero target and investing billions in wind, solar & home insulation.
        Ending new North Sea oil & gas licences and blocking new fossil fuel infrastructure.
        Introducing a wealth tax on the richest households.
        New national rent controls and expanding public ownership of rail, water & energy.
        Proportional representation for general elections.
        Cancelling Trident nuclear weapons & scrapping the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

        bez_lightyear@crispsandwi.chB This user is from outside of this forum
        bez_lightyear@crispsandwi.chB This user is from outside of this forum
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        @kibcol1049 Don't forget "Free Heroin For Schoolkids" if you believe the Daily Mail

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        • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

          The Green Party's key manifesto pledges include:-
          Bringing forward the UK’s net zero target and investing billions in wind, solar & home insulation.
          Ending new North Sea oil & gas licences and blocking new fossil fuel infrastructure.
          Introducing a wealth tax on the richest households.
          New national rent controls and expanding public ownership of rail, water & energy.
          Proportional representation for general elections.
          Cancelling Trident nuclear weapons & scrapping the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

          disputatore@masto.ptD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @kibcol1049 I understand the principle of ditching nuclear weapons, unfortunately we don't live in a world which is compatible with that principle. If I voted in the UK, I would only vote Green if I felt they wouldn't be in a position to enforce that item of their manifesto.

          kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK J disputatore@masto.ptD 3 Replies Last reply
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          • bez_lightyear@crispsandwi.chB bez_lightyear@crispsandwi.ch

            @kibcol1049 Don't forget "Free Heroin For Schoolkids" if you believe the Daily Mail

            kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Bez_Lightyear 😱

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            • disputatore@masto.ptD disputatore@masto.pt

              @kibcol1049 I understand the principle of ditching nuclear weapons, unfortunately we don't live in a world which is compatible with that principle. If I voted in the UK, I would only vote Green if I felt they wouldn't be in a position to enforce that item of their manifesto.

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              @Disputatore 👍

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              • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

                @kibcol1049

                Oh well. They were doing well until the last item.

                epistatacadam@toot.walesE This user is from outside of this forum
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                @simonzerafa @kibcol1049 We don't have an independent nuclear deterrent at the moment, nor have we for some time. We are merely the Off shore base of the US nuclear deterrent. At the moment France looks a more reliable shelter if we really feel we need one.

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                • disputatore@masto.ptD disputatore@masto.pt

                  @kibcol1049 I understand the principle of ditching nuclear weapons, unfortunately we don't live in a world which is compatible with that principle. If I voted in the UK, I would only vote Green if I felt they wouldn't be in a position to enforce that item of their manifesto.

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                  @Disputatore @kibcol1049 We have like 5 nukes. The people that are the biggest threat to us have loads more. Is it really that much of a threat?

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                  • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

                    The Green Party's key manifesto pledges include:-
                    Bringing forward the UK’s net zero target and investing billions in wind, solar & home insulation.
                    Ending new North Sea oil & gas licences and blocking new fossil fuel infrastructure.
                    Introducing a wealth tax on the richest households.
                    New national rent controls and expanding public ownership of rail, water & energy.
                    Proportional representation for general elections.
                    Cancelling Trident nuclear weapons & scrapping the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

                    cppguy@infosec.spaceC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @kibcol1049

                    It's worth putting numbers on the #GreenParty's plans for a wealth tax:

                    https://greenparty.org.uk/about/our-manifesto/creating-a-fairer-greener-economy/

                    It would be 1% annually on assets over £10m and 2% annually on assets over £1bn. Very few people reading this would have to pay it; I certainly wouldn't! But there are several other tax increases that would affect rather more people. They're on the page I've linked to. For example, if you earn more than £967 a week (as a typical software engineer does) then you'd pay more National Insurance.

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                      @Disputatore @kibcol1049 We have like 5 nukes. The people that are the biggest threat to us have loads more. Is it really that much of a threat?

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                      @JustinMac84 @Disputatore @kibcol1049 Actually, the people who are the biggest threat to us at the moment not only control the technology behind 'our' deterrent, but also have some of theirs here...

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                      • cppguy@infosec.spaceC cppguy@infosec.space

                        @kibcol1049

                        It's worth putting numbers on the #GreenParty's plans for a wealth tax:

                        https://greenparty.org.uk/about/our-manifesto/creating-a-fairer-greener-economy/

                        It would be 1% annually on assets over £10m and 2% annually on assets over £1bn. Very few people reading this would have to pay it; I certainly wouldn't! But there are several other tax increases that would affect rather more people. They're on the page I've linked to. For example, if you earn more than £967 a week (as a typical software engineer does) then you'd pay more National Insurance.

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                        @CppGuy @kibcol1049 nobody needs to have a billion pounds !

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                        • ukeleleeric@mstdn.socialU ukeleleeric@mstdn.social

                          @JustinMac84 @Disputatore @kibcol1049 Actually, the people who are the biggest threat to us at the moment not only control the technology behind 'our' deterrent, but also have some of theirs here...

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                          @UkeleleEric @Disputatore @kibcol1049 Exactly!

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                          • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @Tooden @kibcol1049

                            Well it's a deal breaker for me.

                            Anyone that nieve has no business being in Parliament 🙂🤷‍♂️

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                            • sean@mastodon.me.ukS sean@mastodon.me.uk

                              @CppGuy @kibcol1049 nobody needs to have a billion pounds !

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                              @sean You don’t even need to use an exchange rate to be correct for Canadian dollars as well.

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                              • epistatacadam@toot.walesE epistatacadam@toot.wales

                                @simonzerafa @kibcol1049 We don't have an independent nuclear deterrent at the moment, nor have we for some time. We are merely the Off shore base of the US nuclear deterrent. At the moment France looks a more reliable shelter if we really feel we need one.

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                                @epistatacadam @simonzerafa @kibcol1049 We do have an independent deterrent, the warheads are ours, but the delivery system is leased from the US costing us a bloody fortune to maintain.

                                France kept it's own nukes entirely separate from everyone else after lots of US pressure to 'save money' by standardising.

                                For the record I'd bin them off. Only Ukraine has ever chosen to do it but we're not sharing a land border with Putin.

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                                • disputatore@masto.ptD disputatore@masto.pt

                                  @kibcol1049 I understand the principle of ditching nuclear weapons, unfortunately we don't live in a world which is compatible with that principle. If I voted in the UK, I would only vote Green if I felt they wouldn't be in a position to enforce that item of their manifesto.

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                                  @kibcol1049 I've seen the discussion around winning nuclear wars. I think that by now it is obvious that a nuclear war is unwinnable. That's not what nuclear weapons are for. They are for deterrence. They tell the other side that they cannot win. Not that we will win. For example, would Putin try to invade Ukraine if they had nukes? I don't think so.

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                                    @kibcol1049 I've seen the discussion around winning nuclear wars. I think that by now it is obvious that a nuclear war is unwinnable. That's not what nuclear weapons are for. They are for deterrence. They tell the other side that they cannot win. Not that we will win. For example, would Putin try to invade Ukraine if they had nukes? I don't think so.

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                                    @kibcol1049 more than that. Giving up nuclear weapons now would be like dripping blood in the water. It would signal weakness, and Putin and Trump see weaknesses as an invitation to increase their demands.

                                    Another way to look at it is to ask yourselves how is the giving up nuclear weapons working out for Ukraine?

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                                    • disputatore@masto.ptD disputatore@masto.pt

                                      @kibcol1049 more than that. Giving up nuclear weapons now would be like dripping blood in the water. It would signal weakness, and Putin and Trump see weaknesses as an invitation to increase their demands.

                                      Another way to look at it is to ask yourselves how is the giving up nuclear weapons working out for Ukraine?

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                                      @Disputatore @kibcol1049 also are they actually ‘our’ nuclear deterrent or are they just US assets sometimes parked in Scotland? Would someone like Trump let us use them? Would we be forced to use them if he said so?

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                                        @Disputatore @kibcol1049 also are they actually ‘our’ nuclear deterrent or are they just US assets sometimes parked in Scotland? Would someone like Trump let us use them? Would we be forced to use them if he said so?

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                                        @markmason @kibcol1049 those are all excellent questions.

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                                        • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

                                          @kibcol1049

                                          Oh well. They were doing well until the last item.

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                                          @simonzerafa @kibcol1049 Personally, I’d like to save a lot of money simply by dispensing with the little tin god that has never been used and can never be used.
                                          It works for Ireland, Spain, Denmark, and everyone else bar France. What do you think would happen if we joined them?

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