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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    @jmjm

    So many billionaires have destroyed online social spaces I loved I'm starting to feel like I must be very dangerous.

    livejournal was bought by a Russian company who destroyed it
    blogger was mysteriously imploded just when it was getting good
    facebook was turned into an unusable hell hole of ads and non-chron feed
    twitter... we all know what happened to twitter
    tumblr ... lives on in a way
    but now I'm here.

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    @futurebird @jmjm@mstdn.social facebook is kind of an outlier, cause it was a mysogynist project from the very beginning. i will not be sad when it finally dies. i hope that happens before i die.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      The nightmare of the powerful is a media landscape that is entirely organic. Where what is news is decided in the way that ants make decisions, every ant makes her own choice and the decisions are emergent.

      Emergent editorial control.

      So, it's important to me what articles you choose to share and what you have to say about them. It's helpful when you explain who the big actors in your local news are, who you identify, how you identify them.

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      @futurebird local news is the hardest to follow, isn’t it? Even for those of us who have a locally owned and controlled newspaper.

      I confess, I get so much more news from social media—from that friend on the school board or who is a city manager two towns over—than from official news sources, which can be so blandly uninformative it’s impossible to figure out what’s going on.

      And joining a lobbying group is good—though you’d kind of wish you could be informed ahead of that… 🤷🏻‍♀️

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        I understand what my liberal friends are sad about when they are nostalgic about the media centralization of the past, but they are forgetting the way that massive lies were propagated and never questioned in that environment.

        It is true that when Dan Rather did the news some things we see today would never fly... but I have spent my whole adult life unlearning the lies about US history that kind of news propagated.

        We each must take some responsibility and 'Tell the news' ourselves.

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        @futurebird I would like to imagine that a resurgence of local news would help - envisioning a national connected patchwork of volunteer-run ghost-platform sites that would both reconnect the fractured residents of communities, and reacquaint people with facts, through shared experience. As I think local papers did help, in the before-times. But thinking about the logistical and interpersonal hurdles, all those devilish details: those take a kind of willing cooperation we no longer have in our communities.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          (When I say "liberal friends" I mean US fans of the democratic party. I'm someone who tolerates democrats due to a paucity of better options. Though, as of late, all I really care about is "are you a bigot?" and "are you a corrupt criminal?" I need to hear "no" twice or I won't even pay attention. I want politicians who will work: do your job, make the government run, improve the UI on the government website, publish the budget on time, fix the uneven sidewalks. WORK.)

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          @futurebird

          As an outsider watching, the number of people who seem to believe they can "fix" things by just voting the dems in again is utterly horrifying. The sheer lack of awareness is unfathomable.

          It's nearly as bad in Canada when it comes right down to it. Just quieter and with less gestapo. Trump's bullshit ignited an instant push of nationalism which meant people voted for anyone the liberals (Can) shoved down their throat and most of them don't even realize who he is and what he's doing. We will sure feel it when we suddenly need to protest and realize that corporations have more human rights than we do now.

          People don't want to be aware of the machine they are inside of. Things don't just suddenly happen like a light switch turned on and off. That's the stuff of fairytales. It's the desperate symptom of societal arrested development and mindlessness to try to believe that they do.

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            I understand what my liberal friends are sad about when they are nostalgic about the media centralization of the past, but they are forgetting the way that massive lies were propagated and never questioned in that environment.

            It is true that when Dan Rather did the news some things we see today would never fly... but I have spent my whole adult life unlearning the lies about US history that kind of news propagated.

            We each must take some responsibility and 'Tell the news' ourselves.

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            @futurebird while it’s not my gift to do that, I _do_ attempt what I can for the social justice groups I serve. (We use old fashioned listserves. Not Google, of course.)

            You can’t bury folks under a sleet of horror stories—you have to balance those with action steps that can be taken and stories about the wins, yet without hiding the stark truth that this _is_ fascism, and it really is as bad as we think.

            It’s not exactly telling the news. But I am told it makes a difference.

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            • whvholst@eupolicy.socialW whvholst@eupolicy.social

              @futurebird What is being mourned is the loss of a shared frame of reference. And yes, a lot of that shared frame of reference was propaganda.

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              @whvholst @futurebird and a lot of our frames of reference, of course, were systematically excluded from view.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                I understand what my liberal friends are sad about when they are nostalgic about the media centralization of the past, but they are forgetting the way that massive lies were propagated and never questioned in that environment.

                It is true that when Dan Rather did the news some things we see today would never fly... but I have spent my whole adult life unlearning the lies about US history that kind of news propagated.

                We each must take some responsibility and 'Tell the news' ourselves.

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                @futurebird If there is a single assignment from college that has influenced me the most, it was being given two first-hand accounts of a 12th C. priest. One was used to argue for his sainthood. The other was a complaint about what an awful person he was. And we were told to describe the *real* person behind both accounts.

                Such a valuable skill to actually sort through contradictory info.

                (FWIW, he got the saint gig: he's the patron saint of Iceland now)

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                • resonancewright@infosec.exchangeR resonancewright@infosec.exchange

                  @capnthommo @futurebird this may be a chicken and egg matter; you have to ask what factors led turner and cnn to jump into that gap and create that space in the first place. And of course a lot of it was peculiar to the situation, but I think the advent of chyron news is more of an aggravating symptom than a root cause

                  ymmv 🙂

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                  @resonancewright @futurebird yes maybe so. I was only voicing what were the first signs as I perceived them at the time.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    @jmjm

                    So many billionaires have destroyed online social spaces I loved I'm starting to feel like I must be very dangerous.

                    livejournal was bought by a Russian company who destroyed it
                    blogger was mysteriously imploded just when it was getting good
                    facebook was turned into an unusable hell hole of ads and non-chron feed
                    twitter... we all know what happened to twitter
                    tumblr ... lives on in a way
                    but now I'm here.

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                    @futurebird

                    Generally the billionaires seem to be in the business of destroying every ladder they ever climbed.

                    Better to rule in hell on earth than to compete fairly in heaven, I suppose.

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                      @svavar @futurebird

                      this depends on one's definition of politics (which is a word everyone has their own definition for), but sure. I think it's safe to say that any system that features powerful interests is one where you'll see the local journalism reflecting those interests.

                      The way it was put to me once is that it's human nature for editors to consider who will be happy, and how happy, and who will be angry, and how angry, if the story goes to print. Because this is news media it is seen as an inherently political decision by others, but really it's just an extension of how most people gauge social considerations when deciding what they should do and how they should act. In this model it is the aggregate of such small banalities that constitute the force that you sum up as political.

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