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  • masek@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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    Economic cargo cults

    One thing that never ceases to fascinate me:

    Small, thoroughly unremarkable companies try to emulate wildly successful ones by copying some tertiary, sometimes even actively annoying property.

    Take Apple and its near-religious obsession with packaging. Their boxes are sturdy, elegant, and engineered with the kind of care normally reserved for spacecraft or Swiss watches.

    So naturally, companies selling $9.99 gadgets have concluded that this is the secret sauce. Not the product. Not the ecosystem. Not the brand. No, clearly it’s the box.

    What they fail to realize is that I keep an iPhone box because the device inside retains resale value. The packaging is essentially a reusable shipping container with aspirations.

    The cheap gadget, on the other hand, has the resale value of an expired, half-eaten sandwich. Its box is therefore not a feature but a long-term storage problem. A nearly indestructible one. I suspect some of these packages will outlive civilization and be excavated by future archaeologists, who will conclude that we worshipped mediocre Bluetooth speakers.

    Another favorite is the imitation of Google’s customer interaction model, or rather, the strategic absence of it.

    Companies observe that Google doesn’t talk to its customers and infer that this must be part of the winning formula. What they miss is that Google succeeds despite this, not because of it. When you control half the internet, you can afford to be aloof. When you sell niche SaaS to 50 customers in a mildly offended corner of Germany, less so.

    Yet here we are, with companies proudly offering the full “Google experience”: no support, no accountability, and a contact form that disappears into a small, silent void, presumably to be studied later by theoretical physicists.

    It’s a bit like copying the table manners of a king while lacking both the kingdom and the food.

    I suppose this is the corporate equivalent of a cargo cult: build the runway, light the torches, and hope that success will land.

    Do you see those as well?

    moranaga@literatur.socialM hzulla@infosec.exchangeH ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA mrtoto@social.mrtoto.netM tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT 5 Replies Last reply
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      Economic cargo cults

      One thing that never ceases to fascinate me:

      Small, thoroughly unremarkable companies try to emulate wildly successful ones by copying some tertiary, sometimes even actively annoying property.

      Take Apple and its near-religious obsession with packaging. Their boxes are sturdy, elegant, and engineered with the kind of care normally reserved for spacecraft or Swiss watches.

      So naturally, companies selling $9.99 gadgets have concluded that this is the secret sauce. Not the product. Not the ecosystem. Not the brand. No, clearly it’s the box.

      What they fail to realize is that I keep an iPhone box because the device inside retains resale value. The packaging is essentially a reusable shipping container with aspirations.

      The cheap gadget, on the other hand, has the resale value of an expired, half-eaten sandwich. Its box is therefore not a feature but a long-term storage problem. A nearly indestructible one. I suspect some of these packages will outlive civilization and be excavated by future archaeologists, who will conclude that we worshipped mediocre Bluetooth speakers.

      Another favorite is the imitation of Google’s customer interaction model, or rather, the strategic absence of it.

      Companies observe that Google doesn’t talk to its customers and infer that this must be part of the winning formula. What they miss is that Google succeeds despite this, not because of it. When you control half the internet, you can afford to be aloof. When you sell niche SaaS to 50 customers in a mildly offended corner of Germany, less so.

      Yet here we are, with companies proudly offering the full “Google experience”: no support, no accountability, and a contact form that disappears into a small, silent void, presumably to be studied later by theoretical physicists.

      It’s a bit like copying the table manners of a king while lacking both the kingdom and the food.

      I suppose this is the corporate equivalent of a cargo cult: build the runway, light the torches, and hope that success will land.

      Do you see those as well?

      moranaga@literatur.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      moranaga@literatur.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      moranaga@literatur.social
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      @masek

      In that light: yes. I think it's well put.

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      • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

        Economic cargo cults

        One thing that never ceases to fascinate me:

        Small, thoroughly unremarkable companies try to emulate wildly successful ones by copying some tertiary, sometimes even actively annoying property.

        Take Apple and its near-religious obsession with packaging. Their boxes are sturdy, elegant, and engineered with the kind of care normally reserved for spacecraft or Swiss watches.

        So naturally, companies selling $9.99 gadgets have concluded that this is the secret sauce. Not the product. Not the ecosystem. Not the brand. No, clearly it’s the box.

        What they fail to realize is that I keep an iPhone box because the device inside retains resale value. The packaging is essentially a reusable shipping container with aspirations.

        The cheap gadget, on the other hand, has the resale value of an expired, half-eaten sandwich. Its box is therefore not a feature but a long-term storage problem. A nearly indestructible one. I suspect some of these packages will outlive civilization and be excavated by future archaeologists, who will conclude that we worshipped mediocre Bluetooth speakers.

        Another favorite is the imitation of Google’s customer interaction model, or rather, the strategic absence of it.

        Companies observe that Google doesn’t talk to its customers and infer that this must be part of the winning formula. What they miss is that Google succeeds despite this, not because of it. When you control half the internet, you can afford to be aloof. When you sell niche SaaS to 50 customers in a mildly offended corner of Germany, less so.

        Yet here we are, with companies proudly offering the full “Google experience”: no support, no accountability, and a contact form that disappears into a small, silent void, presumably to be studied later by theoretical physicists.

        It’s a bit like copying the table manners of a king while lacking both the kingdom and the food.

        I suppose this is the corporate equivalent of a cargo cult: build the runway, light the torches, and hope that success will land.

        Do you see those as well?

        hzulla@infosec.exchangeH This user is from outside of this forum
        hzulla@infosec.exchangeH This user is from outside of this forum
        hzulla@infosec.exchange
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        @masek one thing I really hate with a passion is the trend of tiny magnets in the product's packaging, only there to deliver a one-time "smooth" box opening experience. Making the package harder to recycle and adding unnecessary waste of precious magnets.

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        • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

          Economic cargo cults

          One thing that never ceases to fascinate me:

          Small, thoroughly unremarkable companies try to emulate wildly successful ones by copying some tertiary, sometimes even actively annoying property.

          Take Apple and its near-religious obsession with packaging. Their boxes are sturdy, elegant, and engineered with the kind of care normally reserved for spacecraft or Swiss watches.

          So naturally, companies selling $9.99 gadgets have concluded that this is the secret sauce. Not the product. Not the ecosystem. Not the brand. No, clearly it’s the box.

          What they fail to realize is that I keep an iPhone box because the device inside retains resale value. The packaging is essentially a reusable shipping container with aspirations.

          The cheap gadget, on the other hand, has the resale value of an expired, half-eaten sandwich. Its box is therefore not a feature but a long-term storage problem. A nearly indestructible one. I suspect some of these packages will outlive civilization and be excavated by future archaeologists, who will conclude that we worshipped mediocre Bluetooth speakers.

          Another favorite is the imitation of Google’s customer interaction model, or rather, the strategic absence of it.

          Companies observe that Google doesn’t talk to its customers and infer that this must be part of the winning formula. What they miss is that Google succeeds despite this, not because of it. When you control half the internet, you can afford to be aloof. When you sell niche SaaS to 50 customers in a mildly offended corner of Germany, less so.

          Yet here we are, with companies proudly offering the full “Google experience”: no support, no accountability, and a contact form that disappears into a small, silent void, presumably to be studied later by theoretical physicists.

          It’s a bit like copying the table manners of a king while lacking both the kingdom and the food.

          I suppose this is the corporate equivalent of a cargo cult: build the runway, light the torches, and hope that success will land.

          Do you see those as well?

          ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
          ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
          ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu
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          @masek Yep, I’ve even worked at companies that did this for themselves. They got successful, but didn’t want to admit that they had no clue, so they enshrined everything they did in their “formula”, even though a bit of critical thought could eliminate more than half of it.

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          • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

            Economic cargo cults

            One thing that never ceases to fascinate me:

            Small, thoroughly unremarkable companies try to emulate wildly successful ones by copying some tertiary, sometimes even actively annoying property.

            Take Apple and its near-religious obsession with packaging. Their boxes are sturdy, elegant, and engineered with the kind of care normally reserved for spacecraft or Swiss watches.

            So naturally, companies selling $9.99 gadgets have concluded that this is the secret sauce. Not the product. Not the ecosystem. Not the brand. No, clearly it’s the box.

            What they fail to realize is that I keep an iPhone box because the device inside retains resale value. The packaging is essentially a reusable shipping container with aspirations.

            The cheap gadget, on the other hand, has the resale value of an expired, half-eaten sandwich. Its box is therefore not a feature but a long-term storage problem. A nearly indestructible one. I suspect some of these packages will outlive civilization and be excavated by future archaeologists, who will conclude that we worshipped mediocre Bluetooth speakers.

            Another favorite is the imitation of Google’s customer interaction model, or rather, the strategic absence of it.

            Companies observe that Google doesn’t talk to its customers and infer that this must be part of the winning formula. What they miss is that Google succeeds despite this, not because of it. When you control half the internet, you can afford to be aloof. When you sell niche SaaS to 50 customers in a mildly offended corner of Germany, less so.

            Yet here we are, with companies proudly offering the full “Google experience”: no support, no accountability, and a contact form that disappears into a small, silent void, presumably to be studied later by theoretical physicists.

            It’s a bit like copying the table manners of a king while lacking both the kingdom and the food.

            I suppose this is the corporate equivalent of a cargo cult: build the runway, light the torches, and hope that success will land.

            Do you see those as well?

            mrtoto@social.mrtoto.netM This user is from outside of this forum
            mrtoto@social.mrtoto.netM This user is from outside of this forum
            mrtoto@social.mrtoto.net
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            @masek So much yes! I see this with companies forming engineering organizations. They go and emulate Google or Meta. Because they think the structure is what brought them success. They don’t realize that these companies have a scale and margins that allow them to employ certain structures that don’t fit other places. But the people emulating this then feel they are like „FANG“ companies and it’s good for linked in.

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              @masek So much yes! I see this with companies forming engineering organizations. They go and emulate Google or Meta. Because they think the structure is what brought them success. They don’t realize that these companies have a scale and margins that allow them to employ certain structures that don’t fit other places. But the people emulating this then feel they are like „FANG“ companies and it’s good for linked in.

              tcurdt@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
              tcurdt@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @mrtoto @masek

              Wait - we don't need that 10 node kubernetes cluster to host our website?

              (sarcasm)

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                @mrtoto @masek

                Wait - we don't need that 10 node kubernetes cluster to host our website?

                (sarcasm)

                mrtoto@social.mrtoto.netM This user is from outside of this forum
                mrtoto@social.mrtoto.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @tcurdt @masek The use of Kubernetes in some places the the manifestation of this, indeed.

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                • tcurdt@mastodon.socialT tcurdt@mastodon.social

                  @mrtoto @masek

                  Wait - we don't need that 10 node kubernetes cluster to host our website?

                  (sarcasm)

                  masek@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
                  masek@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
                  masek@infosec.exchange
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                  @tcurdt @mrtoto No, at least you need autoscaling and anycast IP on top.

                  Last year you had two users visiting from India....

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                  • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                    Economic cargo cults

                    One thing that never ceases to fascinate me:

                    Small, thoroughly unremarkable companies try to emulate wildly successful ones by copying some tertiary, sometimes even actively annoying property.

                    Take Apple and its near-religious obsession with packaging. Their boxes are sturdy, elegant, and engineered with the kind of care normally reserved for spacecraft or Swiss watches.

                    So naturally, companies selling $9.99 gadgets have concluded that this is the secret sauce. Not the product. Not the ecosystem. Not the brand. No, clearly it’s the box.

                    What they fail to realize is that I keep an iPhone box because the device inside retains resale value. The packaging is essentially a reusable shipping container with aspirations.

                    The cheap gadget, on the other hand, has the resale value of an expired, half-eaten sandwich. Its box is therefore not a feature but a long-term storage problem. A nearly indestructible one. I suspect some of these packages will outlive civilization and be excavated by future archaeologists, who will conclude that we worshipped mediocre Bluetooth speakers.

                    Another favorite is the imitation of Google’s customer interaction model, or rather, the strategic absence of it.

                    Companies observe that Google doesn’t talk to its customers and infer that this must be part of the winning formula. What they miss is that Google succeeds despite this, not because of it. When you control half the internet, you can afford to be aloof. When you sell niche SaaS to 50 customers in a mildly offended corner of Germany, less so.

                    Yet here we are, with companies proudly offering the full “Google experience”: no support, no accountability, and a contact form that disappears into a small, silent void, presumably to be studied later by theoretical physicists.

                    It’s a bit like copying the table manners of a king while lacking both the kingdom and the food.

                    I suppose this is the corporate equivalent of a cargo cult: build the runway, light the torches, and hope that success will land.

                    Do you see those as well?

                    tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
                    tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
                    tony@toot.hoyle.me.uk
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                    #9

                    @masek Companies do it all the time.. the Agile that first appeared is a pale shadow of the 'Aglile' that companies breathlessly adopted with a hope of an instant boost to profits (that of course never happened).

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