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  • qwazix@bananachips.clubQ qwazix@bananachips.club

    @mjd they also, AIUI, accuse OpenAI of generating spam that allows the abuse of the justice system. It's interesting how the legal universe will respond to the diminishing cost of writing legal text that sounds like something maybe worth attention. I guess the high cost of generating such text had shielded courts from flood until recenty.

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    @qwazix @mjd

    "It's interesting how the legal universe will respond to the diminishing cost of writing legal text that sounds like something maybe worth attention."

    Remove the word "legal" and this applies to all LLM output. There's more and more text and less and less of it is worth reading.

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    • teflontrout@beige.partyT teflontrout@beige.party

      @divVerent @mjd @jonoleth

      "Pretty sure it's common knowledge that LLMs are nothing but random text generators."

      Among us? Yes. Among the rest of folks? No, it is not well known at all, most laypeople I talk to believed the hype at face value

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      @TeflonTrout
      @divVerent @mjd @jonoleth And that's not how the product is marketed.

      Either hold OpenAI liable as though the product is what they claim it is, or hold them liable for fraudulently advertising it as such.

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      • ids1024@mathstodon.xyzI ids1024@mathstodon.xyz

        @TeflonTrout
        @divVerent @mjd @jonoleth And that's not how the product is marketed.

        Either hold OpenAI liable as though the product is what they claim it is, or hold them liable for fraudulently advertising it as such.

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        @ids1024 @TeflonTrout @mjd @jonoleth False advertising it is, IMHO.

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        • milla@mastodon.artM milla@mastodon.art

          @qwazix @mjd

          "It's interesting how the legal universe will respond to the diminishing cost of writing legal text that sounds like something maybe worth attention."

          Remove the word "legal" and this applies to all LLM output. There's more and more text and less and less of it is worth reading.

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          @milla @mjd yeah but most other professions either cannot be DDoS'ed by such texts (an engineer isn't required to read any report that comes to their desk), or have already developed methods to deal with it (email anti-spam comes to mind).

          A court however has to process any suit filed that follows the correct form. (Forgive me if I'm using the wrong terms, not a lawyer and not a native English speaker) I guess what kept the courts from being utterly disabled was the cost of producing something that looked like a legit suit.

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          • qwazix@bananachips.clubQ qwazix@bananachips.club

            @milla @mjd yeah but most other professions either cannot be DDoS'ed by such texts (an engineer isn't required to read any report that comes to their desk), or have already developed methods to deal with it (email anti-spam comes to mind).

            A court however has to process any suit filed that follows the correct form. (Forgive me if I'm using the wrong terms, not a lawyer and not a native English speaker) I guess what kept the courts from being utterly disabled was the cost of producing something that looked like a legit suit.

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            @qwazix @milla I wonder if the result will be that AIs do pre-filtering on the filings before they go to a human clerk for final vetting.

            At least one credible person thinks this would work.

            https://adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/in-ai-we-trust
            https://adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/in-ai-we-trust-part-ii

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            • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

              @qwazix @milla I wonder if the result will be that AIs do pre-filtering on the filings before they go to a human clerk for final vetting.

              At least one credible person thinks this would work.

              https://adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/in-ai-we-trust
              https://adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/in-ai-we-trust-part-ii

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              @mjd @milla I find it hard to even read an article that asserts that "This is not a drill. Right now, present tense, AI can accurately decide cases and write judicial opinions."

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              • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                @qwazix @milla I wonder if the result will be that AIs do pre-filtering on the filings before they go to a human clerk for final vetting.

                At least one credible person thinks this would work.

                https://adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/in-ai-we-trust
                https://adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/in-ai-we-trust-part-ii

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                @qwazix @milla Coincidentally, the same guy published another article today suggesting the same thing!

                “If everyone fulfills their role—if the lawyers try their best to be both persuasive and credible and the judge tries to resolve the dispute as accurately as possible—then we’ll have AI deciding between two AI-written submissions, with the human lawyers claiming that their submissions are credible precisely because humans were not involved. So much for our legal system.”

                “On the other hand, the current situation is not much better. The government claims it has no choice but to keep billions of dollars in illegally-exacted tariffs, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. ”

                “Pick your poison!”

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                • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                  @marshray I wonder if that will help get them off the hook. If not, it shows that they were aware that what they were doing could be a problem.

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                  @mjd @marshray But they didn’t do anything to stop it.

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                  • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                    @qwazix @milla Coincidentally, the same guy published another article today suggesting the same thing!

                    “If everyone fulfills their role—if the lawyers try their best to be both persuasive and credible and the judge tries to resolve the dispute as accurately as possible—then we’ll have AI deciding between two AI-written submissions, with the human lawyers claiming that their submissions are credible precisely because humans were not involved. So much for our legal system.”

                    “On the other hand, the current situation is not much better. The government claims it has no choice but to keep billions of dollars in illegally-exacted tariffs, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. ”

                    “Pick your poison!”

                    Link Preview Image
                    Pick your poison

                    How hard is it to refund the tariffs?

                    favicon

                    (adamunikowsky.substack.com)

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                    @mjd @milla that translates directly into "one of the three AI companies decides" because who would pass up a chance to surreptitiously steer the whole legal system.

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                    • wellsitegeo@masto.aiW wellsitegeo@masto.ai

                      @marshray @mjd
                      Any dates for the (alleged, legal modesty board) AI legal advice?

                      What's that, Lassie? You hear the sound of distant hard-drive shredders working overtime?

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                      @WellsiteGeo @mjd <https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.496515/gov.uscourts.ilnd.496515.1.0_1.pdf >

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