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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

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  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

    * enable developer options
    * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
    * restart phone and re-authenticate
    * wait one day doing nothing
    * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
    * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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    @grote the point about requiring biometrics is incorrect. The blog post states that you need to confirm with "biometric authentication [...] or device PIN."

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day doing nothing
      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

      clarfonthey@toot.catC This user is from outside of this forum
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      @grote here, "sideloading" means "installing apps from developers who have not submitted a drop of blood to Google"

      the drop of blood thing is an exaggeration; we don't yet know if something more, like an entire finger, will be required

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      • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

        @argv_minus_one @FifiSch @grote

        to install an OS from scratch, you need to feed it one over USB from another ARM Mac, which must be running macOS if I'm not mistaken.

        That's... insane...

        It kind of makes it pretty clear what Apple is doing there. You must buy at least one other of their devices even to do anything else with your own...

        In regards to flashing Android devices, any PC will do and there are ways to do it from non-PC things. I wouldn't suggest it for the average user, but I've even used a USB host connection to another phone with termux to run adb commands, lol. (The point is we have the option of using anything that can run the software. They definitely shouldn't try that one at home...)

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        @nazokiyoubinbou

        It's also a crying shame. ARM Macs have incredible battery life. If they weren't rendered largely useless by the aforementioned OS installation restrictions, they'd probably be my favorite laptop.

        @FifiSch @grote

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        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

          * enable developer options
          * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
          * restart phone and re-authenticate
          * wait one day doing nothing
          * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
          * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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          #138

          @grote Judging by the attached image, biometrics are not mandatory, device PIN should work. Very bad, but mandatory biometrics is what would make it terrible, at least for me.

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            #139

            @31113 @terminaltilt
            Cops and goons can take your phone and hold it up to your face very easily. Thankfully it’s pretty easy to disable face for unlock, but continue to use it for everything else.

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            • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

              @grote

              Per the screenshot, biometrics are not necessary. The device PIN will also suffice.

              For what it's worth.

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              @argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org @grote@chaos.social That's a relief: I can't use finger prints because phones all say my fingerprints aren't clear enough, and my current phone doesn't support face ID.

              Still not good to have to jump through all these hoops .

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              • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

                @grote @TimWardCam Google has a whole "Managed Google Play" as part of Enterprise Android support: https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/9495634?hl=en
                I don't think companies doing such things will be fussed by this at all. A company using Android devices but not using enterprise management would already be in a pretty self-inflicted state of badness.

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                @tedmielczarek @grote I'm thinking of a small company with a dozen or so developers who have one Android app that talks to their back end, for use by a few dozen installation crews. Anything with "enterprise" in its name would be *vastly* too expensive to be of any use to a company like that.

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                • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

                  @agowa338 @grote bleh ive been seeing techbros unironically supporting this because "muh scammers" .. as if they wont just switch to using a fucking web app..

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                  @Li @grote

                  Well I still think this approach from google is a good first draft to start a discussion.

                  But all of the border agent stuff was more of a "making the best out of a shitty situation".

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                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                    * enable developer options
                    * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                    * wait one day doing nothing
                    * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                    * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                    #143

                    @grote

                    First point is:
                    * be evil

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                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                      * enable developer options
                      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                      * wait one day doing nothing
                      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                      #144

                      @grote Google always finds new ways to give me a reason to day fuck google.

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