"Story?
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"Story? who the fuck cares about story? We put peoples balls into a vicegrip, and they asked for more. repeatedly."
If you gain joy out of souls-likes, that's fine. No judgement. But for me, the payoff isn't there.
You spend your time smashing your face into a wall to learn a boss' patterns, just to get a disjointed fragment of a story. 3/4ths of the story isn't revealed to you in the game through any means, requires reading a wiki, and watching a 3 hour youtube video essay to make any-fucking-sense of it.
The only attraction is the difficulty, and I'm not enough of a try-hard to put in the effort.
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@da_667 I can remember the games that had stoies I cared about.
Breath of the Wild and Age of Calamity.
Summoner (PS2 launch title) (fix the combat system and this would be a hell of a remake)
FF X
Sea of Stars (this one hit my feels the most).Playing lots of Enshrouded and I dig the lore as it becomes more and more exposed.
Let the kids have live service and MMO slop. They'll never know ...
@infoseclogger I've heard sea of stars is a chrono-trigger-like. Was it really good? I have the demo in my steam list.
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@infoseclogger I've heard sea of stars is a chrono-trigger-like. Was it really good? I have the demo in my steam list.
@da_667 The gameplay was solid, there are CT themes, the story and characters are outstanding. I will replay it eventually, but the story has beats that still hit heavy. It is a top 5 game for me based on story. It's a top 5 RPG for me as well.
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@da_667 The gameplay was solid, there are CT themes, the story and characters are outstanding. I will replay it eventually, but the story has beats that still hit heavy. It is a top 5 game for me based on story. It's a top 5 RPG for me as well.
@infoseclogger I'm a big fan of many of the games you mentioned. Chrono trigger, and Final Fantasy 6, Kingdom Hearts I and II all hold a special place in my heart.
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If you gain joy out of souls-likes, that's fine. No judgement. But for me, the payoff isn't there.
You spend your time smashing your face into a wall to learn a boss' patterns, just to get a disjointed fragment of a story. 3/4ths of the story isn't revealed to you in the game through any means, requires reading a wiki, and watching a 3 hour youtube video essay to make any-fucking-sense of it.
The only attraction is the difficulty, and I'm not enough of a try-hard to put in the effort.
@da_667 absolute same. I've never understood why people feel justified to decide what is fun for others.
You enjoy crushing mechanics with precision physics, perma-death mods and scaled fights? That's awesome...good for you. I turned "Auto-fishing" on in Cult of the Lamb because I disliked the mechanic and was able to.
I've never understood why there are "sides" to entertainment, you know? I get not liking something because you don't like it. But why hate on others because they do?
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@da_667 absolute same. I've never understood why people feel justified to decide what is fun for others.
You enjoy crushing mechanics with precision physics, perma-death mods and scaled fights? That's awesome...good for you. I turned "Auto-fishing" on in Cult of the Lamb because I disliked the mechanic and was able to.
I've never understood why there are "sides" to entertainment, you know? I get not liking something because you don't like it. But why hate on others because they do?
@jackryder exactly. It's not my cup, I explained why. But if you do enjoy it, don't let me stop you
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@jackryder exactly. It's not my cup, I explained why. But if you do enjoy it, don't let me stop you
@da_667 heck, depending on the game... I might even
!Smash is fun, to watch. I have zero interest in the game type/style/etc. and as a kid I hated playing them too.
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If you gain joy out of souls-likes, that's fine. No judgement. But for me, the payoff isn't there.
You spend your time smashing your face into a wall to learn a boss' patterns, just to get a disjointed fragment of a story. 3/4ths of the story isn't revealed to you in the game through any means, requires reading a wiki, and watching a 3 hour youtube video essay to make any-fucking-sense of it.
The only attraction is the difficulty, and I'm not enough of a try-hard to put in the effort.
@da_667 I disagree (as a masochist gamer): Dark Souls games are for sure harder, but it's also incredibly fair. They teach you how to succeed, then test you, and it's a great feeling. They could have made it so much harder, at the expense of fun, but didn't - I think the magic is in their design.
But, that sorta game is my favorite style. I recently did no-armor challenge runs of all three Dark Souls + Elden Ring. It was so much fun!
They aren't for everyone, but I'm happy people are making games for people like me, but also others are making games for others
The story is whatever. I like the challenge, it just feels good to learn and then repeat patterns
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@becomethewaifu heh, I have a minecraft server running all the mods right now. Minecraft is a "comes in waves" for me thing. When I want to play it, nothing else satifies, but when I'm done, I'll leave it alone for a while.
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If you gain joy out of souls-likes, that's fine. No judgement. But for me, the payoff isn't there.
You spend your time smashing your face into a wall to learn a boss' patterns, just to get a disjointed fragment of a story. 3/4ths of the story isn't revealed to you in the game through any means, requires reading a wiki, and watching a 3 hour youtube video essay to make any-fucking-sense of it.
The only attraction is the difficulty, and I'm not enough of a try-hard to put in the effort.
@da_667
The story being the way it is kinda makes it like a cooperative ARG, which I'm fond of -
@becomethewaifu last time I was playing, my obsession was with havestcraft/cooking, and getting a coffeemaker in place with a MASSIVE sprawling base. I have some fun things in place, but @krishean took things ALL THE WAY, got the ATM star and then some, so mad props to him.
